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Re: Immigration
Reply #1920 - Apr 15^th, 2025 at 8:54pm

The ABC won't mention it but the Australian Financial Review
is willing to discuss it:

https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/why-australia-s-housing-crisis-has-gone-...

Households are going backwards in 13 developed economies,
including Australia, as record immigration runs into a housing crisis.

And then there are blogs:

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2024/08/19/alan-kohler-australia-immigrat...

How Australia’s broken immigration system caused a housing crisis

Alan Kohler

Aug 19, 2024, updated Aug 19, 2024

One of the most important causes of Australia’s housing affordability crisis is excess immigration over many years, and the problem with immigration is that the government doesn’t control it.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1922 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:26am

Bringing up housing affordability in a thread about immigration is just parroting Liberal Party propaganda, plain and simple.

The root causes of the crisis are well-documented, and the culprits are anything but elusive, with the fingerprints of the Coalition smeared across every bit of it.

If you actually cared about housing, you'd direct your attention to those structural drivers instead of clumsily pivoting to dog-whistle talking points.

But if you're just another partisan puppet, twitching with a kind of TDS impulse to shield the Liberals at every turn, by all means, keep banging the immigration drum, right on cue, like your handlers trained you to.

Obedient little sheep.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1923 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:43am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

Bringing up housing affordability in a thread about immigration is just parroting Liberal Party propaganda, plain and simple.

The root causes of the crisis are well-documented, and the culprits are anything but elusive, with the fingerprints of the Coalition smeared across every bit of it.

If you actually cared about housing, you'd direct your attention to those structural drivers instead of clumsily pivoting to dog-whistle talking points.

But if you're just another partisan puppet, twitching with a kind of TDS impulse to shield the Liberals at every turn, by all means, keep banging the immigration drum, right on cue, like your handlers trained you to.

Obedient little sheep.

No - the Liberal party isn't good enough either -
they only want to reduce immigration by 25%.

The Libbos want to fuel the housing Ponzi scheme.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1924 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:01am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:43am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

Bringing up housing affordability in a thread about immigration is just parroting Liberal Party propaganda, plain and simple.

The root causes of the crisis are well-documented, and the culprits are anything but elusive, with the fingerprints of the Coalition smeared across every bit of it.

If you actually cared about housing, you'd direct your attention to those structural drivers instead of clumsily pivoting to dog-whistle talking points.

But if you're just another partisan puppet, twitching with a kind of TDS impulse to shield the Liberals at every turn, by all means, keep banging the immigration drum, right on cue, like your handlers trained you to.

Obedient little sheep.

No - the Liberal party isn't good enough either -
they only want to reduce immigration by 25%.

The Libbos want to fuel the housing Ponzi scheme.

You can take issue with migration and housing, but don’t treat the two as if they’re inseparable or singularly determinative.

If immigration were truly the driving force behind property prices, then during COVID, when Australia experienced negative net migration, meaning more people left the country than arrived, we should have seen house prices collapse, Instead, they soared.

If housing demand were tethered solely to immigration, prices would have plunged, But the opposite occurred, exposing the simplistic narrative for what it is.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1925 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:11am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:43am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

Bringing up housing affordability in a thread about immigration is just parroting Liberal Party propaganda, plain and simple.

The root causes of the crisis are well-documented, and the culprits are anything but elusive, with the fingerprints of the Coalition smeared across every bit of it.

If you actually cared about housing, you'd direct your attention to those structural drivers instead of clumsily pivoting to dog-whistle talking points.

But if you're just another partisan puppet, twitching with a kind of TDS impulse to shield the Liberals at every turn, by all means, keep banging the immigration drum, right on cue, like your handlers trained you to.

Obedient little sheep.

No - the Liberal party isn't good enough either -
they only want to reduce immigration by 25%.

The Libbos want to fuel the housing Ponzi scheme.

You can take issue with migration and housing, but don’t treat the two as if they’re inseparable or singularly determinative.

If immigration were truly the driving force behind property prices, then during COVID, when Australia experienced negative net migration, meaning more people left the country than arrived, we should have seen house prices collapse, Instead, they soared.

If housing demand were tethered solely to immigration, prices would have plunged, But the opposite occurred, exposing the simplistic narrative for what it is.

Cack-handed attempt.

No immigration and no pandemic - house prices would level out very quickly.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1926 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:20am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:43am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

Bringing up housing affordability in a thread about immigration is just parroting Liberal Party propaganda, plain and simple.

The root causes of the crisis are well-documented, and the culprits are anything but elusive, with the fingerprints of the Coalition smeared across every bit of it.

If you actually cared about housing, you'd direct your attention to those structural drivers instead of clumsily pivoting to dog-whistle talking points.

But if you're just another partisan puppet, twitching with a kind of TDS impulse to shield the Liberals at every turn, by all means, keep banging the immigration drum, right on cue, like your handlers trained you to.

Obedient little sheep.

No - the Liberal party isn't good enough either -
they only want to reduce immigration by 25%.

The Libbos want to fuel the housing Ponzi scheme.

You can take issue with migration and housing, but don’t treat the two as if they’re inseparable or singularly determinative.

If immigration were truly the driving force behind property prices, then during COVID, when Australia experienced negative net migration, meaning more people left the country than arrived, we should have seen house prices collapse, Instead, they soared.

If housing demand were tethered solely to immigration, prices would have plunged, But the opposite occurred, exposing the simplistic narrative for what it is.

No - during Covid - interest rates went down and further fueled the housing bubble.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1927 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:48am

Frank wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:11am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:43am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

Bringing up housing affordability in a thread about immigration is just parroting Liberal Party propaganda, plain and simple.

The root causes of the crisis are well-documented, and the culprits are anything but elusive, with the fingerprints of the Coalition smeared across every bit of it.

If you actually cared about housing, you'd direct your attention to those structural drivers instead of clumsily pivoting to dog-whistle talking points.

But if you're just another partisan puppet, twitching with a kind of TDS impulse to shield the Liberals at every turn, by all means, keep banging the immigration drum, right on cue, like your handlers trained you to.

Obedient little sheep.

No - the Liberal party isn't good enough either -
they only want to reduce immigration by 25%.

The Libbos want to fuel the housing Ponzi scheme.

You can take issue with migration and housing, but don’t treat the two as if they’re inseparable or singularly determinative.

If immigration were truly the driving force behind property prices, then during COVID, when Australia experienced negative net migration, meaning more people left the country than arrived, we should have seen house prices collapse, Instead, they soared.

If housing demand were tethered solely to immigration, prices would have plunged, But the opposite occurred, exposing the simplistic narrative for what it is.

Cack-handed attempt.

So you admit it's not just immigration driving the crisis, given that even with a net negative migration figure, prices continued to rise?

Cheers for that, Frannie.

It's been a rough one for you today, hasn’t it? So many losses, so little self-awareness. Must be exhausting living in a parallel universe just to cling to beliefs that collapse under even the faintest scrutiny.

I suppose your next move will be the usual, double down, ignore responses that dismantle your arguments, and throw around yet another round of barely coherent personal attacks. Predictable, lazy, and intellectually bankrupt.

I know you need to try and soothe your cognitive dissonance. Take it out on us here, we can take it, there's no need to lash out on those around you, friends, family etc, if you have any left.

Think of it as our Chocolate Bilby for you this year.

Have at it.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1928 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:48am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:20am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:43am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

Bringing up housing affordability in a thread about immigration is just parroting Liberal Party propaganda, plain and simple.

The root causes of the crisis are well-documented, and the culprits are anything but elusive, with the fingerprints of the Coalition smeared across every bit of it.

If you actually cared about housing, you'd direct your attention to those structural drivers instead of clumsily pivoting to dog-whistle talking points.

But if you're just another partisan puppet, twitching with a kind of TDS impulse to shield the Liberals at every turn, by all means, keep banging the immigration drum, right on cue, like your handlers trained you to.

Obedient little sheep.

No - the Liberal party isn't good enough either -
they only want to reduce immigration by 25%.

The Libbos want to fuel the housing Ponzi scheme.

You can take issue with migration and housing, but don’t treat the two as if they’re inseparable or singularly determinative.

If immigration were truly the driving force behind property prices, then during COVID, when Australia experienced negative net migration, meaning more people left the country than arrived, we should have seen house prices collapse, Instead, they soared.

If housing demand were tethered solely to immigration, prices would have plunged, But the opposite occurred, exposing the simplistic narrative for what it is.

No - during Covid - interest rates went down and further fueled the housing bubble.

So Immigration isn't the only cause then?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 108979 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1929 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:58am KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:48am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:20am: No - during Covid - interest rates went down and further fueled the housing bubble. So Immigration isn't the only cause then? True - the housing Ponzi scheme is kept going - no matter what.
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Re: Immigration
Reply #1930 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 12:26pm

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:20am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:43am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

Bringing up housing affordability in a thread about immigration is just parroting Liberal Party propaganda, plain and simple.

The root causes of the crisis are well-documented, and the culprits are anything but elusive, with the fingerprints of the Coalition smeared across every bit of it.

If you actually cared about housing, you'd direct your attention to those structural drivers instead of clumsily pivoting to dog-whistle talking points.

But if you're just another partisan puppet, twitching with a kind of TDS impulse to shield the Liberals at every turn, by all means, keep banging the immigration drum, right on cue, like your handlers trained you to.

Obedient little sheep.

No - the Liberal party isn't good enough either -
they only want to reduce immigration by 25%.

The Libbos want to fuel the housing Ponzi scheme.

You can take issue with migration and housing, but don’t treat the two as if they’re inseparable or singularly determinative.

If immigration were truly the driving force behind property prices, then during COVID, when Australia experienced negative net migration, meaning more people left the country than arrived, we should have seen house prices collapse, Instead, they soared.

If housing demand were tethered solely to immigration, prices would have plunged, But the opposite occurred, exposing the simplistic narrative for what it is.

No - during Covid - interest rates went down and further fueled the housing bubble.

So Immigration isn't the only cause then?

It is the single biggest cause. Housing costs are very strongly influenced by two principal factors:

1. Number of dwelling
2. Number of people needing dwellings.

This is so obvious that it needs to be stated only for your benefit.

1A. The number of new dwellings built annually- around 170,000, times 3 = 510,000
2A. Number of immigrants per year -739,000 (2022) 536,000 (20232), 446,000 (2024) = 1.7 million plus.
3.A add in natural population increase of about 1.4% p.a. of 25 - 26 million = around 360,000 p.a

Total population increase in just 3 years, immigration plus natural = 2.7 million plus. New dwelling in the same period= 510,000.

This is indicative of the problem.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1931 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 3:59pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-21/immigration-debate-federal-election/10518...

Calls for better planning as Aussie suburbs feel the squeeze amid migration, housing pressures

By Vote Compass reporter Isabella Higgins

Topic: Immigration Policy

10h ago

Australia's housing 'pressure points' in the outer suburbs
A number of participants wrote into ABC Your Say
blaming immigration levels for Australia's housing crisis.

Experts say it is a complicated picture — with many factors driving Australia housing availability and affordability problems.

How will Labor and Coalition housing promises affect the market?
Photo shows Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanese smiling on rainbow background.Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanese smiling on rainbow background.
For the first time in generations of elections, the major parties are both promising policies to lift housing supply, and again handing out gifts to first homebuyers. But there's an elephant in the room neither Labor nor the Coalition will discuss.

Both major parties say immigration after the pandemic has been too high and want it to come down, after reaching unprecedented levels between 2022 and 2024.

The Coalition wants to reduce net migration by 100,000 each year, claiming it would help with rental affordability and housing supply.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1932 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 4:55pm

Needs to be curtailed and cut back and changes made to the composition of who we have coming here....

You oughta see the state of the toilets in that Indian-run Servo we stopped at yesterday - the Eld Gel rushed to the toilet - it didn;t flush, the tap dribbled a little, and the floor was covered in paper towels... two toilets and both not working in a servo where cars are lined up ... plenty money - no f

u

cking service!!

I looked up who and what owned and ran it - some asshole named Patel with many dollars.... becoming a billionaire out of tis stupid country as the standards literally go down the toilet...

Get Rid Of Them!! Piss off these 'global economy' parasites and vultures who are raping this country and its people and destroying the very fabric of our culture and society... we neither need nor want them!!

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1933 - Apr 21^st, 2025 at 5:55pm

Funny how the rabid ranters are the one who love to attack the centre types as 'party policy puppets'... as if we all have no mind of our own when clearly the opposite is the truth..

It's amazing how many screech at me about 'Sky News' - I rarely - if ever watch it... if their opinions seem to match with mine that is just the coincidence of great minds thinking for themselves.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 108979 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1934 - Apr 23^rd, 2025 at 9:42pm Keep immigration going till every working Aussie is homeless? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IOJ4toYK558
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