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Re: Immigration
Reply #525 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:14pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 12:31pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:26am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 29th, 2023 at 7:28am:
The year the Australian dream died


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[url]https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10E3C/production/_1321081
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A line of people waiting to inspect a house in Sydney


At the age of 31, Justin Dowswell never imagined he'd be living in a shared room in his childhood home.

He had a full-time, well-paying job in Sydney, and had rented for a decade before an unprecedented housing crisis forced him to upend his life and move back in with his parents, two hours away.

"It's humbling," he says. But the alternative was homelessness: "So I'm one of the lucky ones".

It's a far cry from the promise of the Great Australian Dream.

A perfect storm

Almost everything that could go wrong with housing
in Australia has gone wrong,

says Michael Fotheringham.

"The only thing that could make it worse is if banks started collapsing," the head of the Australian Housing and Urban Research Institute tells the BBC.

Underpinning it all is that buying a house is astronomically expensive - the average property now costs about nine times an ordinary household's income, triple what it was 25 years ago.

For generations, owning a house on a modest block of land has been idealised as both the ultimate marker of success and a gateway to a better life.

It's an aspiration that has wormed its way into the country's identity, helping to shape modern Australia.

Particularly critical was what happened at the turn of the millennium, he argues. Until that point house prices in Australia had kept pace with income growth and the size of the economy - but this began to shift when the federal government introduced tax changes which incentivised the buying and selling of homes for profit.

A sharp spike in immigration and
government grants pushed up house prices in that era too,

but Mr Kohler says it was these tax breaks that forever changed the way Australia thinks about housing.

"It will be impossible to return the price of housing to something less destructive... without purging the idea that housing is a means to create wealth as opposed to simply a place to live," he wrote.



And yet, Bobby spent his inheritance on - guess what, leftards.

A new home!

Was it an AV Jennings, Bobby?

I'm curious.


why does that matter sorry

even if you can actually buy australian property, and quite frankly a lot of people can or could if they worked towards it, doesn't mean its at prices anyone should have to pay for it

framing this whole debate around 'affordability' was a mistake bc it allows this kind of weasel bullsh1t to fester and obfuscate the issue

we don't need 'affordable' housing, but housing at the lowest possible price tag, and there's a distinction between those two things


So? Move to Dubbo.

Prices in the cities are high. They don't relate to the importation of the tinted races, which I believe is what your case is.

After all, you're not calling for an end to all immigration, now are you?

You're calling for the re-introduction of the White Australia Policy.

Bobby's house price scam is a red herring, as you have just acknowledged.

Cunning, no?
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Re: Immigration
Reply #526 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:26am:
And yet, Bobby spent his inheritance on - guess what, leftards.

A new home!

Was it an AV Jennings, Bobby?

I'm curious.



Not with inheritance money -
not an AV Jennings home.
You really do like making up stories.
Actually I downsized - I was fed up with spending whole weekends doing:
lawn mowing, edging, whipper snipping, flat weed removal & pruning.
Having a house and 600
m2
of lawns, no longer became my dream.

forgiven
namaste


Oh, I see! So you already owned yourself a lovely home, you merely downsized.

That you did, Bobby, that you did.

We pray there will be no pain, dear.

Allah Uakbar, no?
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Re: Immigration
Reply #527 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:36pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:26am:
And yet, Bobby spent his inheritance on - guess what, leftards.

A new home!

Was it an AV Jennings, Bobby?

I'm curious.



Not with inheritance money -
not an AV Jennings home.
You really do like making up stories.
Actually I downsized - I was fed up with spending whole weekends doing:
lawn mowing, edging, whipper snipping, flat weed removal & pruning.
Having a house and 600
m2
of lawns, no longer became my dream.

forgiven
namaste


Oh, I see! So you already owned yourself a lovely home, you merely downsized.

That you did, Bobby, that you did.

We pray there will be no pain, dear.

Allah Uakbar, no?



Inshallah  dear.         Embarrassed
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Re: Immigration
Reply #528 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 4:57pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:14pm:
JC Denton wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 12:31pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:26am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 29th, 2023 at 7:28am:
The year the Australian dream died


    Published

2 hours ago

[url]https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10E3C/production/_1321081
96_housingqueues.jpg[/url]
A line of people waiting to inspect a house in Sydney


At the age of 31, Justin Dowswell never imagined he'd be living in a shared room in his childhood home.

He had a full-time, well-paying job in Sydney, and had rented for a decade before an unprecedented housing crisis forced him to upend his life and move back in with his parents, two hours away.

"It's humbling," he says. But the alternative was homelessness: "So I'm one of the lucky ones".

It's a far cry from the promise of the Great Australian Dream.

A perfect storm

Almost everything that could go wrong with housing
in Australia has gone wrong,

says Michael Fotheringham.

"The only thing that could make it worse is if banks started collapsing," the head of the Australian Housing and Urban Research Institute tells the BBC.

Underpinning it all is that buying a house is astronomically expensive - the average property now costs about nine times an ordinary household's income, triple what it was 25 years ago.

For generations, owning a house on a modest block of land has been idealised as both the ultimate marker of success and a gateway to a better life.

It's an aspiration that has wormed its way into the country's identity, helping to shape modern Australia.

Particularly critical was what happened at the turn of the millennium, he argues. Until that point house prices in Australia had kept pace with income growth and the size of the economy - but this began to shift when the federal government introduced tax changes which incentivised the buying and selling of homes for profit.

A sharp spike in immigration and
government grants pushed up house prices in that era too,

but Mr Kohler says it was these tax breaks that forever changed the way Australia thinks about housing.

"It will be impossible to return the price of housing to something less destructive... without purging the idea that housing is a means to create wealth as opposed to simply a place to live," he wrote.



And yet, Bobby spent his inheritance on - guess what, leftards.

A new home!

Was it an AV Jennings, Bobby?

I'm curious.


why does that matter sorry

even if you can actually buy australian property, and quite frankly a lot of people can or could if they worked towards it, doesn't mean its at prices anyone should have to pay for it

framing this whole debate around 'affordability' was a mistake bc it allows this kind of weasel bullsh1t to fester and obfuscate the issue

we don't need 'affordable' housing, but housing at the lowest possible price tag, and there's a distinction between those two things


So? Move to Dubbo.

Prices in the cities are high. They don't relate to the importation of the tinted races, which I believe is what your case is.

After all, you're not calling for an end to all immigration, now are you?

You're calling for the re-introduction of the White Australia Policy.

Bobby's house price scam is a red herring, as you have just acknowledged.

Cunning, no?


mate even if you brought back the white australia policy but didnt get rid of immigration you'd be lucky to get 50,000 people to move here anymore

dubbo isn't really cheap by global standards either, and it's a sh1thole
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Reply #529 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:56pm
 
J.C. Denton, all you do is moan and complain, you never offer an alternative that has the support of the majority of people, why?  Do you belong to the Office Moaners and Complainers' Union of something? The world has changed, don't you think you should change with it? WAP is dead and buried and will never, despite what you think return. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #530 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 7:02pm
 
Nothing to do with the importation of the tinted races - everything to do with the importation..... wake up and drop your pretence of 'racism' when the country as a whole is going to hell on a bike.

Idiots that persist with politics of division are a huge part of the problem - keeping the majority off balance at every turn with one thing piled on top of another.... mindless lemming immigration to raise their own profits ... conflict between various groups (though some such bring their conflicts with them so we can safely extradite them) ... privatisation..... globalisation/internationalism - same coin - two sides ... affirmative action ... special rights for some because their ancestors once walked the land (I can drive to Brisbane and back - can I claim land rights?) when all they need is a plot to build and live on these days of changed rules - a far better deal than anyone else gets - only the fools and the second class citizens/serfs PAY for their land to live on and a council/government can resume it any time they want and charge an annual rent on it .... ('ad ter pay.. PAY council ter 'ave place t' sleep! .... you tell the yoong 'oons that these day and they'd nowt believe yer!) ... ... no sacred sites for them! ....

Bring Back The Fair Australia Policy and drop your colour bar to everyone not sallow....
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Reply #531 - Dec 30th, 2023 at 9:30pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:56pm:
J.C. Denton, all you do is moan and complain, you never offer an alternative that has the support of the majority of people, why?  Do you belong to the Office Moaners and Complainers' Union of something? The world has changed, don't you think you should change with it? WAP is dead and buried and will never, despite what you think return. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


brian youre a fkin sook
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Reply #532 - Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 9:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:56pm:
J.C. Denton, all you do is moan and complain, you never offer an alternative that has the support of the majority of people, why?  Do you belong to the Office Moaners and Complainers' Union of something? The world has changed, don't you think you should change with it? WAP is dead and buried and will never, despite what you think return. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


brian youre a fkin sook


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what an answer.  What a WOFTAM you are proving to be, JC.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #533 - Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:46am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am:
JC Denton wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 9:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:56pm:
J.C. Denton, all you do is moan and complain, you never offer an alternative that has the support of the majority of people, why?  Do you belong to the Office Moaners and Complainers' Union of something? The world has changed, don't you think you should change with it? WAP is dead and buried and will never, despite what you think return. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


brian youre a fkin sook


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what an answer.  What a WOFTAM you are proving to be, JC.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


you're cruisin for a brusin ya sad knt
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Reply #534 - Dec 31st, 2023 at 12:27pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:46am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am:
JC Denton wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 9:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:56pm:
J.C. Denton, all you do is moan and complain, you never offer an alternative that has the support of the majority of people, why?  Do you belong to the Office Moaners and Complainers' Union of something? The world has changed, don't you think you should change with it? WAP is dead and buried and will never, despite what you think return. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


brian youre a fkin sook


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what an answer.  What a WOFTAM you are proving to be, JC.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


you're cruisin for a brusin ya sad knt

Grin
JC Denton just became 'spunky' in my books.
You deck him JC!!!! Cool
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Reply #535 - Dec 31st, 2023 at 12:44pm
 
You can't fight in here!!  This is the WAR ROOM!
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Reply #536 - Dec 31st, 2023 at 4:28pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:46am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31st, 2023 at 11:22am:
JC Denton wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 9:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 6:56pm:
J.C. Denton, all you do is moan and complain, you never offer an alternative that has the support of the majority of people, why?  Do you belong to the Office Moaners and Complainers' Union of something? The world has changed, don't you think you should change with it? WAP is dead and buried and will never, despite what you think return. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


brian youre a fkin sook


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what an answer.  What a WOFTAM you are proving to be, JC.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


you're cruisin for a brusin ya sad knt


And, pray tell, how are you going to deliver that, JC?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM you are proving yourself to be.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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JC Denton v Brain Dead !!!
Bring it on!!!  Cheesy
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Reply #538 - Dec 31st, 2023 at 4:52pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:36pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 3:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 30th, 2023 at 1:26am:
And yet, Bobby spent his inheritance on - guess what, leftards.

A new home!

Was it an AV Jennings, Bobby?

I'm curious.



Not with inheritance money -
not an AV Jennings home.
You really do like making up stories.
Actually I downsized - I was fed up with spending whole weekends doing:
lawn mowing, edging, whipper snipping, flat weed removal & pruning.
Having a house and 600
m2
of lawns, no longer became my dream.

forgiven
namaste


Oh, I see! So you already owned yourself a lovely home, you merely downsized.

That you did, Bobby, that you did.

We pray there will be no pain, dear.

Allah Uakbar, no?



Inshallah  dear.         Embarrassed



Bump to Matty/Karnal.
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Reply #539 - Jan 3rd, 2024 at 8:55am
 
A growing number of Pacific ­Islanders are abandoning a key agricultural worker scheme and seeking asylum in Australia, as farmers warn the program addressing workforce shortages ­was being undermined by Labor’s pro-union rule changes.

The peak farmers body warned employers were being short-changed when workers left the Pacific Australia Labour ­Mobility scheme and sought asylum, while agricultural businesses were considering leaving the program because they were now required to pay each worker at least 30 hours a week even if there was a downturn in production.

In the past six months, more than 1050 Pacific Islanders defected from the PALM scheme and applied for permanent protection visas. This is on track to overtake 1698 permanent visa applications from Pacific Island workers in 2022-23 – the first full year PALM was operating after the consolidation of the Pacific Labour Scheme and the Seasonal Worker Program.

Obtaining a protection visa would give the Pacific Islanders unrestricted work rights and some social security benefits.

Each defection left farmers in the lurch as they were “left to bear thousands in upfront recruitment costs and without the workforce needed to complete their season”.

“More needs to be done by government to ensure both workers and non-approved employers understand the rules around job switching for Pacific workers,” he said. “We need to see penalties enforced against non-approved employers who illegally lure Pacific workers away from their workplaces.

“As the number of workers under the PALM scheme increases, we’re also seeing an increase in applications for protection visas.

Nationals leader David Littleproud said the 30 hours requirement would force farmers to “pay people to lie on the couch and do nothing” when the weather was too poor to work.

He said it would ultimately reduce the agricultural workforce and increase the price of food.

“Economics tells them they probably won’t plant the crop because they can’t afford to do that,” he said. “There were sensible provisions around averaging that allowed for the weather and for these workers to catch up when it stopped raining and things have dried out – that’s common sense.

“These changes have been driven by Labor and the unions … by ideology and not understanding the practical reality of what this will do.

“If you reduce supply, then ultimately what’s going to happen is everyone’s prices go up.”

Quebec Citrus Australia director Ainsley Emmerton said she was growing increasingly frustrated with the highly bureaucratic scheme and was weighing up if she should walk away.

“My husband just said to me this morning, ‘it’s just so hard’ because of having to deal with the elements like rain, it’s been a very wet week,” she said. “But when this 30-hour week comes in we’ve got to pay all the PALM workers 30 hours for no work, and that’s not our fault, because it’s raining we’re not going to send them out in the wet, so we’re going to get no economic benefit.”

Farmers were required to offer PALM workers at least 30 hours a week averaged over four weeks from New Year’s Day and 30 hours each week from July 1.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/farmers-grow-tired-of-pacific-i...

Government/union schemes invariably **** thinks up. Law of nature.
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