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Reply #540 - Jan 3rd, 2024 at 9:08am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 3rd, 2024 at 8:55am:
A growing number of Pacific ­Islanders are abandoning a key agricultural worker scheme and seeking asylum in Australia, as farmers warn the program addressing workforce shortages ­was being undermined by Labor’s pro-union rule changes.

The peak farmers body warned employers were being short-changed when workers left the Pacific Australia Labour ­Mobility scheme and sought asylum, while agricultural businesses were considering leaving the program because they were now required to pay each worker at least 30 hours a week even if there was a downturn in production.

In the past six months, more than 1050 Pacific Islanders defected from the PALM scheme and applied for permanent protection visas. This is on track to overtake 1698 permanent visa applications from Pacific Island workers in 2022-23 – the first full year PALM was operating after the consolidation of the Pacific Labour Scheme and the Seasonal Worker Program.

Obtaining a protection visa would give the Pacific Islanders unrestricted work rights and some social security benefits.

Each defection left farmers in the lurch as they were “left to bear thousands in upfront recruitment costs and without the workforce needed to complete their season”.

“More needs to be done by government to ensure both workers and non-approved employers understand the rules around job switching for Pacific workers,” he said. “We need to see penalties enforced against non-approved employers who illegally lure Pacific workers away from their workplaces.

“As the number of workers under the PALM scheme increases, we’re also seeing an increase in applications for protection visas.

Nationals leader David Littleproud said the 30 hours requirement would force farmers to “pay people to lie on the couch and do nothing” when the weather was too poor to work.

He said it would ultimately reduce the agricultural workforce and increase the price of food.

“Economics tells them they probably won’t plant the crop because they can’t afford to do that,” he said. “There were sensible provisions around averaging that allowed for the weather and for these workers to catch up when it stopped raining and things have dried out – that’s common sense.

“These changes have been driven by Labor and the unions … by ideology and not understanding the practical reality of what this will do.

“If you reduce supply, then ultimately what’s going to happen is everyone’s prices go up.”

Quebec Citrus Australia director Ainsley Emmerton said she was growing increasingly frustrated with the highly bureaucratic scheme and was weighing up if she should walk away.

“My husband just said to me this morning, ‘it’s just so hard’ because of having to deal with the elements like rain, it’s been a very wet week,” she said. “But when this 30-hour week comes in we’ve got to pay all the PALM workers 30 hours for no work, and that’s not our fault, because it’s raining we’re not going to send them out in the wet, so we’re going to get no economic benefit.”

Farmers were required to offer PALM workers at least 30 hours a week averaged over four weeks from New Year’s Day and 30 hours each week from July 1.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/farmers-grow-tired-of-pacific-i...

Government/union schemes invariably **** thinks up. Law of nature.



Sorry Frank .... I have no sympathy for the Farmers lobby in this case.....always looking to exploit cheap labour ...

they have for decades screwed seasonal farm workers ... paying them shyte & putting them up in hovels....

then the Labour Hire rort got involved and the exploitation continued.... by the time the workers paid for their shyte accommodation & keep they had SFA left..

the farmers blame all their woes on labour costs when in fact they should be lobbying the buyer groups who want to pay SFA for their product.
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Reply #541 - Jan 3rd, 2024 at 10:19am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 3rd, 2024 at 9:08am:
Frank wrote on Jan 3rd, 2024 at 8:55am:
A growing number of Pacific ­Islanders are abandoning a key agricultural worker scheme and seeking asylum in Australia, as farmers warn the program addressing workforce shortages ­was being undermined by Labor’s pro-union rule changes.

The peak farmers body warned employers were being short-changed when workers left the Pacific Australia Labour ­Mobility scheme and sought asylum, while agricultural businesses were considering leaving the program because they were now required to pay each worker at least 30 hours a week even if there was a downturn in production.

In the past six months, more than 1050 Pacific Islanders defected from the PALM scheme and applied for permanent protection visas. This is on track to overtake 1698 permanent visa applications from Pacific Island workers in 2022-23 – the first full year PALM was operating after the consolidation of the Pacific Labour Scheme and the Seasonal Worker Program.

Obtaining a protection visa would give the Pacific Islanders unrestricted work rights and some social security benefits.

Each defection left farmers in the lurch as they were “left to bear thousands in upfront recruitment costs and without the workforce needed to complete their season”.

“More needs to be done by government to ensure both workers and non-approved employers understand the rules around job switching for Pacific workers,” he said. “We need to see penalties enforced against non-approved employers who illegally lure Pacific workers away from their workplaces.

“As the number of workers under the PALM scheme increases, we’re also seeing an increase in applications for protection visas.

Nationals leader David Littleproud said the 30 hours requirement would force farmers to “pay people to lie on the couch and do nothing” when the weather was too poor to work.

He said it would ultimately reduce the agricultural workforce and increase the price of food.

“Economics tells them they probably won’t plant the crop because they can’t afford to do that,” he said. “There were sensible provisions around averaging that allowed for the weather and for these workers to catch up when it stopped raining and things have dried out – that’s common sense.

“These changes have been driven by Labor and the unions … by ideology and not understanding the practical reality of what this will do.

“If you reduce supply, then ultimately what’s going to happen is everyone’s prices go up.”

Quebec Citrus Australia director Ainsley Emmerton said she was growing increasingly frustrated with the highly bureaucratic scheme and was weighing up if she should walk away.

“My husband just said to me this morning, ‘it’s just so hard’ because of having to deal with the elements like rain, it’s been a very wet week,” she said. “But when this 30-hour week comes in we’ve got to pay all the PALM workers 30 hours for no work, and that’s not our fault, because it’s raining we’re not going to send them out in the wet, so we’re going to get no economic benefit.”

Farmers were required to offer PALM workers at least 30 hours a week averaged over four weeks from New Year’s Day and 30 hours each week from July 1.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/farmers-grow-tired-of-pacific-i...

Government/union schemes invariably **** thinks up. Law of nature.



Sorry Frank .... I have no sympathy for the Farmers lobby in this case.....always looking to exploit cheap labour ...

they have for decades screwed seasonal farm workers ... paying them shyte & putting them up in hovels....

then the Labour Hire rort got involved and the exploitation continued.... by the time the workers paid for their shyte accommodation & keep they had SFA left..

the farmers blame all their woes on labour costs when in fact they should be lobbying the buyer groups who want to pay SFA for their product.

I don't think it's either/or.

The problem here is no longer hovels but the requirement to pay for at least 30 hours per week, even if less is worked. Why not say 30 hours pay, no matter how many hours you work, whether 15 or 60. That wouldn't fly, so why does 30 hours minimum, regardless of how many fewer hours was done.
And why are Pacific Islanders (south seas paradise) claiming asylum?

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Reply #542 - Jan 6th, 2024 at 10:01pm
 
From another website:


Quote:
This is a disaster.
You can't afford to buy because rich immigrants are continually pushing prices up and increasing demand.
Can't afford to rent for the same reason, and even if you can you have to compete with hundreds of other people at inspections.
It's un-Australian. NZ is fast becoming the same especially in places like Auckland.
Say No to immigration!


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Reply #543 - Jan 7th, 2024 at 3:55am
 
Say No to immigration (yes to genuine refugees), excessive foreign investment in housing, globalisation/internationalisation, privatisation of essential services, destruction of industrial infrastructure in favour of third world desperado economics and New Robber Barons/lords of the manor wielding all power and control, steady theft of rights of the people, illegal laws, policies of division and exclusion .. and so forth...

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Reply #544 - Jan 15th, 2024 at 8:02am
 
Immigration costs 5.8 trillion euros
Germany  January 11, 2024

The pension and social expert Raffelhüschen calculates the overall economic price of immigration. He dispels a myth and describes migration policy as “stupid as straw”.


BERLIN. The economist Bernd Raffelhüschen has presented a calculation of how expensive immigration is for the German population. Accordingly, mass migration creates an overall economic hole of 5,800,000,000,000 - in short 5.8 trillion euros.

The Freiburg professor dispelled the myth, promoted by all established parties, that immigration saves pension and social security funds. According to Raffelhüschen, there is already a large gap in the aging German society between what employers and employees pay in taxes, nursing care, pension and health insurance contributions and what they will be paid out in the future, says Raffelhüschen.

According to the expert, this “sustainability gap” will grow to 19.2 trillion euros if Germany continues to accept 300,000 foreigners annually. On the other hand, if we no longer allowed migrants into the country, the number would only be 13.4 trillion. Immigration increases the hole by 5.8 trillion euros. Raffelhüschen: “That is the price of immigration in our current system.”

Raffelhüschen: Foreigners pay little
On average, migrants would need six years to integrate into the German labor market. During this time they hardly paid into the social system. But even after that, according to his study, which he prepared for the “Market Economy Foundation”, things will hardly get any better. Because they earned significantly less than their German colleagues due to a lack of qualifications. As a result, they also paid fewer taxes and duties. However, they received the same sickness, nursing and pension benefits.

Raffelhüschen explained: “Although the age structure of migrants potentially has a demographic rejuvenation dividend, this does not lead to a positive fiscal balance of migration in any of the scenarios considered.”

To illustrate his results, Raffelhüschen chose an example: “An asylum seeker comes to Germany at the age of 26, is rejected after two to three years, but remains here with tolerance. Then he gradually begins his first jobs, gets qualified and, at the age of 35, begins a career as a tax and contribution payer. Because his pension entitlement is low, he receives basic security as a pensioner - for which his contributions would never have been enough.

Even skilled immigration brings a loss
The 66-year-old scientist, who once advised the federal government in the so-called “Rürup Commission,” said: “It doesn’t pay off. This is all far too expensive.” This year alone, the federal government is making almost 50 billion euros available in its budget for migration – not including the costs for the social system.

Raffelhüschen has calculated that even with an additional immigration of 100,000 trained skilled workers per year, Germany would still make a loss. The “sustainability gap” would then still be 14.2 trillion euros – and therefore 800 billion euros above the financing burden without any immigration.

Raffelhüschen found clear words for the migration policy pursued so far by both the Merkel and now Scholz governments: “If we carry on as before, we are stupid as straw!” (fh)
https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deutschland/2024/raffelhueschen-zuwanderung-kos...


Third world immigration is a burden - financial, social, cultural, political -  on every Western country.


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Reply #545 - Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:02pm
 
Germany is not Australia, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #546 - Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:02pm:
Germany is not Australia, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Not dissimilar.


What's with the moronic 'tsk, tsk' and the eyerolling, cockwomble?  What is it you don't have the words for, Bbwian?
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Reply #547 - Jan 15th, 2024 at 11:10pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 3rd, 2024 at 10:19am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 3rd, 2024 at 9:08am:
Frank wrote on Jan 3rd, 2024 at 8:55am:
A growing number of Pacific ­Islanders are abandoning a key agricultural worker scheme and seeking asylum in Australia, as farmers warn the program addressing workforce shortages ­was being undermined by Labor’s pro-union rule changes.

The peak farmers body warned employers were being short-changed when workers left the Pacific Australia Labour ­Mobility scheme and sought asylum, while agricultural businesses were considering leaving the program because they were now required to pay each worker at least 30 hours a week even if there was a downturn in production.

In the past six months, more than 1050 Pacific Islanders defected from the PALM scheme and applied for permanent protection visas. This is on track to overtake 1698 permanent visa applications from Pacific Island workers in 2022-23 – the first full year PALM was operating after the consolidation of the Pacific Labour Scheme and the Seasonal Worker Program.

Obtaining a protection visa would give the Pacific Islanders unrestricted work rights and some social security benefits.

Each defection left farmers in the lurch as they were “left to bear thousands in upfront recruitment costs and without the workforce needed to complete their season”.

“More needs to be done by government to ensure both workers and non-approved employers understand the rules around job switching for Pacific workers,” he said. “We need to see penalties enforced against non-approved employers who illegally lure Pacific workers away from their workplaces.

“As the number of workers under the PALM scheme increases, we’re also seeing an increase in applications for protection visas.

Nationals leader David Littleproud said the 30 hours requirement would force farmers to “pay people to lie on the couch and do nothing” when the weather was too poor to work.

He said it would ultimately reduce the agricultural workforce and increase the price of food.

“Economics tells them they probably won’t plant the crop because they can’t afford to do that,” he said. “There were sensible provisions around averaging that allowed for the weather and for these workers to catch up when it stopped raining and things have dried out – that’s common sense.

“These changes have been driven by Labor and the unions … by ideology and not understanding the practical reality of what this will do.

“If you reduce supply, then ultimately what’s going to happen is everyone’s prices go up.”

Quebec Citrus Australia director Ainsley Emmerton said she was growing increasingly frustrated with the highly bureaucratic scheme and was weighing up if she should walk away.

“My husband just said to me this morning, ‘it’s just so hard’ because of having to deal with the elements like rain, it’s been a very wet week,” she said. “But when this 30-hour week comes in we’ve got to pay all the PALM workers 30 hours for no work, and that’s not our fault, because it’s raining we’re not going to send them out in the wet, so we’re going to get no economic benefit.”

Farmers were required to offer PALM workers at least 30 hours a week averaged over four weeks from New Year’s Day and 30 hours each week from July 1.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/farmers-grow-tired-of-pacific-i...

Government/union schemes invariably **** thinks up. Law of nature.



Sorry Frank .... I have no sympathy for the Farmers lobby in this case.....always looking to exploit cheap labour ...

they have for decades screwed seasonal farm workers ... paying them shyte & putting them up in hovels....

then the Labour Hire rort got involved and the exploitation continued.... by the time the workers paid for their shyte accommodation & keep they had SFA left..

the farmers blame all their woes on labour costs when in fact they should be lobbying the buyer groups who want to pay SFA for their product.

I don't think it's either/or.

The problem here is no longer hovels but the requirement to pay for at least 30 hours per week, even if less is worked. Why not say 30 hours pay, no matter how many hours you work, whether 15 or 60. That wouldn't fly, so why does 30 hours minimum, regardless of how many fewer hours was done.
And why are Pacific Islanders (south seas paradise) claiming asylum?



Why are creeps from wonderful wonderful Copenhagen? Do you know what you are, OB?

You're curious. You've ever a soft spot for Brian.

Tsk tsk tsk, no?
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Reply #548 - Jan 15th, 2024 at 11:24pm
 
Ship out all the undesirables... not our kind... you know the ones I mean..... and for the home-growns - Aborassic Park and isolation/quarantine from the general REAL community of Australians is a good answer.... see how they go under tribal law with their antics... anyone can volunteer for The Homeland, but if they stay here they abide by the rules or it's through the gate for them....

We give 'em Mansell's Homeland - they apply for foreign aid from us only - we decide who comes here and who stays here and who goes into the Park Homeland... they can live their traditional life free as birds - nobody out here has to put up with the criminal elements - a win-win all round... for the Offshore Growns who want to be criminals and terrorists - Reverse Boat People Policy - load 'em up, six months in a leaky boat, and landfall wherever they make it... another win for the good guys... and a win for them since they no longer have to put up with living in the decadent West etc....

Over to you, Phil-Boy.
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Reply #549 - Jan 16th, 2024 at 8:42pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:08pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:02pm:
Germany is not Australia, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Not dissimilar.


What's with the moronic 'tsk, tsk' and the eyerolling, cockwomble?  What is it you don't have the words for, Bbwian?

Go on, Bbwian, do your tsk, tsk and eye rolling.  Express yourself and your rich inner life and intellectual depth. You are a Doktor, after all,  aren't you?And a Master. And a Bachelor.
Oh, yes.

Only morons who do not have the words to say what's in their minds resort to tsk, tsk and eyerolling. You are not a moron, are you, Bbwian?




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Reply #550 - Jan 16th, 2024 at 9:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2024 at 8:42pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:08pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:02pm:
Germany is not Australia, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Not dissimilar.


What's with the moronic 'tsk, tsk' and the eyerolling, cockwomble?  What is it you don't have the words for, Bbwian?

Go on, Bbwian, do your tsk, tsk and eye rolling.  Express yourself and your rich inner life and intellectual depth. You are a Doktor, after all,  aren't you?And a Master. And a Bachelor.
Oh, yes.

Only morons who do not have the words to say what's in their minds resort to tsk, tsk and eyerolling. You are not a moron, are you, Bbwian?


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren, why do you, with a PhD, always respond with personal insults?  Is it because you lack the self-confidence to engage the topic with your intellect?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #551 - Jan 16th, 2024 at 10:01pm
 
Frank hasn't got a phd. The guys an idiot.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #552 - Jan 16th, 2024 at 10:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16th, 2024 at 9:39pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2024 at 8:42pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:08pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 9:02pm:
Germany is not Australia, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Not dissimilar.


What's with the moronic 'tsk, tsk' and the eyerolling, cockwomble?  What is it you don't have the words for, Bbwian?

Go on, Bbwian, do your tsk, tsk and eye rolling.  Express yourself and your rich inner life and intellectual depth. You are a Doktor, after all,  aren't you?And a Master. And a Bachelor.
Oh, yes.

Only morons who do not have the words to say what's in their minds resort to tsk, tsk and eyerolling. You are not a moron, are you, Bbwian?


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren, why do you, with a PhD, always respond with personal insults?  Is it because you lack the self-confidence to engage the topic with your intellect?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Only morons who do not have the words to say what's in their minds resort to tsk, tsk and eyerolling. You are not a moron, are you, Bbwian?
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Reply #553 - Jan 16th, 2024 at 10:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2024 at 10:01pm:
Bbwian hasn't got a phd. The guys an idiot.  Roll Eyes


Well said, thicko.

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Reply #554 - Jan 16th, 2024 at 10:16pm
 
MacroBusiness Chief Economist Leith Van Onselen says one of the reasons Australia is experiencing higher inflation rates compared to other places around the world is due to high immigration levels.

Mr Van Onselen went on to explain that the population growth in Australia is growing faster than what the country can supply creating higher inflation.

“So for example rents are soaring – about 6 per cent of the CPI basket, it's also filtering on to other areas like demand for new homes and helping to push up new home costs,” he told Sky News host Sharri Markson.

“Housing alone takes up about a quarter of the CPI basket.

“So one of the reasons Australia has higher inflation is that we're running a very high population growth policy, and the demand side of the economy through population growth is growing faster than the supply side.”





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