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Reply #795 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:00pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 6:22am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 6:13am:

There are at least 90 000 tradesmen that Australia has to import if it hopes to get anywhere near it's new housing targets.

Bobby was concerned that aussies couldn't afford a house right bobby? It's only right that the govt bring in the workforce that will enable those houses to be built isn't it bobby?

We need a lot of qualified people but are you sure that all the million or so
they imported recently are those we need?

You didn't answer the question goober, 'It's only right that the govt bring in the workforce that will enable those houses to be built isn't it bobby'?

You're a Moron.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 74272 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #796 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:04pm JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:43am: for what? the people we're importing are creating demand for services we wouldn't need if we weren't importing anyone to demand those services and who would have mined all that ore? Or grown all those crops you've been eating?
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Reply #797 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:10pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:04pm:

JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:43am:

for what? the people we're importing are creating demand for services we wouldn't need if we weren't importing anyone to demand those services

and who would have mined all that ore? Or grown all those crops you've been eating?

You're a Moron.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #798 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:13pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 6:22am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 6:13am:

There are at least 90 000 tradesmen that Australia has to import if it hopes to get anywhere near it's new housing targets.

Bobby was concerned that aussies couldn't afford a house right bobby? It's only right that the govt bring in the workforce that will enable those houses to be built isn't it bobby?

We need a lot of qualified people but are you sure that all the million or so
they imported recently are those we need?

You didn't answer the question goober, 'It's only right that the govt bring in the workforce that will enable those houses to be built isn't it bobby'?

There would be almost no need for a construction industry
besides for renovation and repair -
if there had been no immigration.

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Reply #799 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:15pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:04pm:

JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:43am:

for what? the people we're importing are creating demand for services we wouldn't need if we weren't importing anyone to demand those services

and who would have mined all that ore? Or grown all those crops you've been eating?

agriculture and the mining sector barely employ anyone, there's a specific number of people that are required to actually exploit a natural resource base and adding more people on top past that number actually dilutes the wealth value per head that is extracted from those natural resources

adding 50 million people to qatar or kuwait won't increase the quantity of petroleum those states produce, but it will sub-divide the value created from that petroleum by an extra 50 million people

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47475 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #800 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:21pm The largest 'racial' group in Sydney is Chinese. The CCP is about to claim Sydney as 'New South Shang-Hai' due to its people there and like Russia with its people in Ukraine, make Sydney NS-Shang-Hai a part of CCP China.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136554 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #801 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:05pm Jasin wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:21pm: The largest 'racial' group in Sydney is Chinese. Not quite. The top five ancestries in Sydney are: English (53,016 people or 25.0%) Australian (35,616 people or 16.8%) Chinese (35,572 people or 16.8%) Irish (22,547 people or 10.7%) Scottish (15,789 people or 7.5%)
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goosecat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 619	Re: Immigration Reply #802 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:40pm Hmm, not on any particular side here but 53,016 is 25% of all ancestries in Sydney you say. That's a bloody small Sydney!!
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Reply #803 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:44pm

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

Hmm, not on any particular side here but 53,016 is 25% of all ancestries in Sydney you say. That's a bloody small Sydney!!

Those are the number of responses in the Census.

https://profile.id.com.au/sydney/ancestry

Respondents had the option of reporting up to two ancestries on their Census form, and this is captured by the Ancestry Multi Response (ANCP) variable used in this table. Therefore, the total responses count will not equal the persons count for this area. Calculated percentages represent a proportion of all responses from people in Sydney (including those who did not state an ancestry).

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Reply #804 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:48pm

My take is; every level of the populace from low to high and in between, debate this topic right through history. Looking around the world it is definitely possible to have low immigration (in some cases in successful Ist world European countries almost no immigration) and still be an economic and societal success. The disadvantage for Australia is sheer distance and market size. The basic argument is we have to go big to give any hope for scale and profit for businesses from around the world bearing the "distance" and small market for the location. European countries have the whole continent really as their market location of stuff all distance. For us it's grow or stay ever left behind as a choice for world business and consequent investment other than Houses and Holes.

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Reply #805 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:44pm:

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

Hmm, not on any particular side here but 53,016 is 25% of all ancestries in Sydney you say. That's a bloody small Sydney!!

Those are the number of responses in the Census.

https://profile.id.com.au/sydney/ancestry

Wow that's a low figure. So assuming all Sydney completed the compulsory Census, they all just decided; "I'm not answering that one"?

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Reply #806 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:00pm

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

My take is; every level of the populace from low to high and in between, debate this topic right through history. Looking around the world it is definitely possible to have low immigration (in some cases in successful Ist world European countries almost no immigration) and still be an economic and societal success. The disadvantage for Australia is sheer distance and market size. The basic argument is we have to go big to give any hope for scale and profit for businesses from around the world bearing the "distance" and small market for the location. European countries have the whole continent really as their market location of stuff all distance. For us it's grow or stay ever left behind as a choice for world business and consequent investment other than Houses and Holes.

aus has barely benefited from population increase or 'upscaling' at all, it certainly doesn't matter compared to resource wealth extraction being diluted by additional people

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Reply #807 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:11pm

JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

My take is; every level of the populace from low to high and in between, debate this topic right through history. Looking around the world it is definitely possible to have low immigration (in some cases in successful Ist world European countries almost no immigration) and still be an economic and societal success. The disadvantage for Australia is sheer distance and market size. The basic argument is we have to go big to give any hope for scale and profit for businesses from around the world bearing the "distance" and small market for the location. European countries have the whole continent really as their market location of stuff all distance. For us it's grow or stay ever left behind as a choice for world business and consequent investment other than Houses and Holes.

aus has barely benefited from population increase or 'upscaling' at all, it certainly doesn't matter compared to resource wealth extraction being diluted by additional people

Fair point. Like most things I'm somewhere in the middle. The right balance and amount of TARGETTED immigration can be good for everyone I think. Part of that balance includes housing and infrastructure obviously.

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Reply #808 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:17pm

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

My take is; every level of the populace from low to high and in between, debate this topic right through history. Looking around the world it is definitely possible to have low immigration (in some cases in successful Ist world European countries almost no immigration) and still be an economic and societal success. The disadvantage for Australia is sheer distance and market size. The basic argument is we have to go big to give any hope for scale and profit for businesses from around the world bearing the "distance" and small market for the location. European countries have the whole continent really as their market location of stuff all distance. For us it's grow or stay ever left behind as a choice for world business and consequent investment other than Houses and Holes.

aus has barely benefited from population increase or 'upscaling' at all, it certainly doesn't matter compared to resource wealth extraction being diluted by additional people

Fair point. Like most things I'm somewhere in the middle. The right balance and amount of TARGETTED immigration can be good for everyone I think. Part of that balance includes housing and infrastructure obviously.

which means what? whats the right amount, the right balance, and why is it good for everyone? it hasn't been good for anyone except the people migrating here for the last 25 years, and quite frankly much longer than that.

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Reply #809 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:34pm

https://blog.alor.org/albo-s-india-visa-time-bomb-explodes-by-james-reed

"Last year, the Albanese government signed two migration pacts with India
that opened the path for decades of high immigration into Australia.

These pacts, among other things, provide:

Five-year student visas for Indians.
Indian graduates of Australian tertiary institutions on a student visa can apply to work without visa sponsorship for up to eight years.
Australia will recognise Indian vocational and university graduates to be "holding the comparable AQF qualification" for the purposes of admission to higher education and general employment.

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