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Re: Immigration
Reply #810 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:44pm

Well in an ideal world a country seeking to achieve best economic outcomes, like any business should maximise returns. Returns on immigration can be drilled down to "best bang for buck". This is not all one sided either regarding politics. Amongst economists but not so much amongst the general public easily fooled, John Howard was the modern day Australia instigator of massive immigration increases. He actually completely fooled the public by appearing to be anti-immigration via boats etc, meanwhile opening the floodgates for immigration by plane. A classic bait and switch so many still don't grasp. The following governments of both sides just carried it on, with modern day economists generally agreeing it's a good growth formula. Like many economic theories through history, it's slowly starting to be reassessed by some (not all mind you, particularly the left whom see more than just economics; but votes). Many crying out about the realities of infrastructure, housing, medical and actual time till employed and costs for certain populations of immigrants etc, were actually fans of the theory decades ago. Maybe the reality is somewhere in the middle. Something works until it doesn't; then it's time to reassess.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 101297 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #811 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:47pm Q+A tonight. 9:36PM - 10:39PM Has the great housing dream become a nightmare? Supply is falling behind demand, inflating a red-hot market. How do we boost affordability and accelerate construction? Are we ready for the big shifts coming to our suburbs?
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Reply #812 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:47pm

https://blog.alor.org/albo-s-india-visa-time-bomb-explodes-by-james-reed

"Last year, the Albanese government signed two migration pacts with India
that opened the path for decades of high immigration into Australia.

These pacts, among other things, provide:

Five-year student visas for Indians.
Indian graduates of Australian tertiary institutions on a student visa can apply to work without visa sponsorship for up to eight years.
Australia will recognise Indian vocational and university graduates to be "holding the comparable AQF qualification" for the purposes of admission to higher education and general employment.

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5459 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #813 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:50pm goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:44pm: Well in an ideal world a country seeking to achieve best economic outcomes, like any business should maximise returns. Returns on immigration can be drilled down to "best bang for buck" what does this mean how do you measure this
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Re: Immigration
Reply #814 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:47pm:

Q+A tonight.

9:36PM - 10:39PM

Has the great housing dream become a nightmare?
Supply is falling behind demand, inflating a red-hot market.
How do we boost affordability and accelerate construction?
Are we ready for the big shifts coming to our suburbs?

lmao what did i say

YIMBY horse sh1t is going to be spruiked up the wazoo tonight

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Re: Immigration
Reply #815 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:52pm

JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:47pm:

Q+A tonight.

9:36PM - 10:39PM

Has the great housing dream become a nightmare?
Supply is falling behind demand, inflating a red-hot market.
How do we boost affordability and accelerate construction?
Are we ready for the big shifts coming to our suburbs?

lmao what did i say

YIMBY horse sh1t is going to be spruiked up the wazoo tonight

Notice the ABC didn't mention the I word?

immigration.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #816 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:05pm

JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

Well in an ideal world a country seeking to achieve best economic outcomes, like any business should maximise returns. Returns on immigration can be drilled down to "best bang for buck"

what does this mean

how do you measure this

Targetted immigration; but it's a trepidatious topic.

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5459 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #817 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:08pm new article by me amigos https://www.ezfka.com/2024/03/25/yimby-horse-poo-is-going-to-be-spruiked-up-the-...
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Reply #818 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:09pm

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 4:44pm:

Well in an ideal world a country seeking to achieve best economic outcomes, like any business should maximise returns. Returns on immigration can be drilled down to "best bang for buck"

what does this mean

how do you measure this

Targetted immigration; but it's a trepidatious topic.

yeah nah we dont need it

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47276 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #819 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 5:31pm Albanese has stuffed this country a bit like Biden has stuffed the USA. These 'Media' muppets don't have a clue about Politics, except to corrupt it. I'm sure all these new immigrants will be lining up to 'volunteer' for the ADF and fight for Australia in the soon World War.
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Re: Immigration
Reply #820 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 6:22am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 6:13am:

There are at least 90 000 tradesmen that Australia has to import if it hopes to get anywhere near it's new housing targets.

Bobby was concerned that aussies couldn't afford a house right bobby? It's only right that the govt bring in the workforce that will enable those houses to be built isn't it bobby?

We need a lot of qualified people but are you sure that all the million or so
they imported recently are those we need?

You didn't answer the question goober, 'It's only right that the govt bring in the workforce that will enable those houses to be built isn't it bobby'?

There would be almost no need for a construction industry
besides for renovation and repair -
if there had been no immigration.

You're kidding right? Are you living in the same house you were in 20 yrs ago?

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Re: Immigration
Reply #821 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:04pm

JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

My take is; every level of the populace from low to high and in between, debate this topic right through history. Looking around the world it is definitely possible to have low immigration (in some cases in successful Ist world European countries almost no immigration) and still be an economic and societal success. The disadvantage for Australia is sheer distance and market size. The basic argument is we have to go big to give any hope for scale and profit for businesses from around the world bearing the "distance" and small market for the location. European countries have the whole continent really as their market location of stuff all distance. For us it's grow or stay ever left behind as a choice for world business and consequent investment other than Houses and Holes.

aus has barely benefited from population increase or 'upscaling' at all, it certainly doesn't matter compared to resource wealth extraction being diluted by additional people

Over 25yrs of economic growth suggests it had most definitely benefited.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #822 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:07pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:04pm:

JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

My take is; every level of the populace from low to high and in between, debate this topic right through history. Looking around the world it is definitely possible to have low immigration (in some cases in successful Ist world European countries almost no immigration) and still be an economic and societal success. The disadvantage for Australia is sheer distance and market size. The basic argument is we have to go big to give any hope for scale and profit for businesses from around the world bearing the "distance" and small market for the location. European countries have the whole continent really as their market location of stuff all distance. For us it's grow or stay ever left behind as a choice for world business and consequent investment other than Houses and Holes.

aus has barely benefited from population increase or 'upscaling' at all, it certainly doesn't matter compared to resource wealth extraction being diluted by additional people

Over 25yrs of economic growth suggests it had most definitely benefited.

How much immigration is too much, thicko concreter?

Tell us what YOUR limit is, thick ****k.

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Re: Immigration
Reply #823 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 10:15pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 7:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 6:22am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 6:13am:

There are at least 90 000 tradesmen that Australia has to import if it hopes to get anywhere near it's new housing targets.

Bobby was concerned that aussies couldn't afford a house right bobby? It's only right that the govt bring in the workforce that will enable those houses to be built isn't it bobby?

We need a lot of qualified people but are you sure that all the million or so
they imported recently are those we need?

You didn't answer the question goober, 'It's only right that the govt bring in the workforce that will enable those houses to be built isn't it bobby'?

There would be almost no need for a construction industry
besides for renovation and repair -
if there had been no immigration.

You're kidding right? Are you living in the same house you were in 20 yrs ago?

are you thick as absolute sh_t?

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Re: Immigration
Reply #824 - Mar 25^th, 2024 at 10:17pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 8:04pm:

JC Denton wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

goosecat wrote on Mar 25^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

My take is; every level of the populace from low to high and in between, debate this topic right through history. Looking around the world it is definitely possible to have low immigration (in some cases in successful Ist world European countries almost no immigration) and still be an economic and societal success. The disadvantage for Australia is sheer distance and market size. The basic argument is we have to go big to give any hope for scale and profit for businesses from around the world bearing the "distance" and small market for the location. European countries have the whole continent really as their market location of stuff all distance. For us it's grow or stay ever left behind as a choice for world business and consequent investment other than Houses and Holes.

aus has barely benefited from population increase or 'upscaling' at all, it certainly doesn't matter compared to resource wealth extraction being diluted by additional people

Over 25yrs of economic growth suggests it had most definitely benefited.

'economic growth' in the aggregate which is what immigration predominately affects is meaningless because all it means is an increase in the quantity of transactions in an economy, it has no baring on whether people are actually materially better off in terms of their purchasing power relative to the cost of living (which is predicated on meaningful productivity growth, especially in the ability to provision material goods), nor can you meaningfully deduce that population growth has had absolutely anything to do with that

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