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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #15 - Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:17pm
 
The opening claims by
Yadda
are totally erroneous, ill-informed, and without
any basis of accredited supporting clinical evidence.  I can only assume that
he or she is a vehement anti-vaxxer who refuses to accept the positive global
statistics supporting vaccination against COVID and its variants.  The simple
fact that around 98% of COVID patients in ICUs on oxygen support are unvaccinated
tells the true story.

A 2021 Health Department study in the ACT reported that 76.9% of hospitalised
COVID patients were unvaccinated
, and 19.4% were only partially vaccinated. 
The remaining 4% were considered break-through infections (fully vaccinated).

Today from the New York Times...

For the first time, the US is rolling out COVID vaccines updated to match variants
that are currently dominant, as well as the original strain. This bivalent character
will provide a better response to the most threatening variants today but probably
to future variants, too, because when the immune system faces different versions
of the same virus it generates broader protections overall.

Not only will a booster with the new vaccines decrease the likelihood of infection
and severe illness and help reduce transmission of the virus; it could also decrease
the likelihood of developing long COVID.

The "bad" news? The boosters are getting so little fanfare, and so much unfounded
skepticism, that too few people might get them, and lots of people who need not
get sick, suffer or die will get sick, suffer or die.





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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #16 - Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:19pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 9:39pm:
The WHO have pretty much declared this pandemic over, is anyone lining up for more shots now, you are only fully vaxxed when? was that the 2nd 3rd or 5th shot.


WHO says 'we can see the finish line' for the COVID-19 pandemic but it's not over yet

Quote:
World Health Organization (WHO) director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says "the end is in sight" for the COVID-19 pandemic, but now's not the time to ease up on infection control measures.


Quote:
"A marathon runner does not stop when the finish line comes into view," Dr Tedros said.

"She runs harder, with all the energy she has left. So must we.

"We can see the finish line, we are in a winning position, but now is the worst time to stop running, now is the time to run harder and make sure we cross the line and reap the rewards of all our hard work."

Dr Tedros warned there was a risk of "more variants, more deaths, more disruption and more uncertainty" if the world relaxed its COVID measures now.


Which is exactly what Australia (and most of the western world) has done.

So... no Covid pandemic "finish line" coming into view for Australia, so it would seem.

Especially with more transmissible and vaccine evading variants on the way.

I've seen many comments on Twitter, etc. lately from people living overseas who cannot believe how Australia went from one of the best places in the world to be during the pandemic to one of the worst (if not THE worst) in such a short period of time.

But, that's what happens when medical experts are ignored and politicians and big business CEO's are allowed to dictate public health policy.
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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #17 - Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:39pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 6:34pm:
one wonders how dumb the public must be when they accept this person as the EU's expert on health...


Maggie De Block is a qualified medical practitioner who was Belgium's health
minister for six years.  In 2013, she was voted woman of the year by readers
of the newspaper La Libre Belgique. In 2013 and 2014 polls, she became the
most popular Flemish politician, ahead of the President of Flanders Kris Peeters.

Your offensive opinion is only too typical of judgemental, bigoted people who
practice body-discrimination simply because someone doesn't comply with their
personal opinion.

BTW, can I ask you if you have medical qualifications matching those of De Block?
Or are you simply another keyboard warrior preaching your bile anonymously?

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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #18 - Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:46pm
 
Carl D wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:19pm:
Johnnie wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 9:39pm:
The WHO have pretty much declared this pandemic over, is anyone lining up for more shots now, you are only fully vaxxed when? was that the 2nd 3rd or 5th shot.


WHO says 'we can see the finish line' for the COVID-19 pandemic but it's not over yet

Quote:
World Health Organization (WHO) director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says "the end is in sight" for the COVID-19 pandemic, but now's not the time to ease up on infection control measures.


Quote:
"A marathon runner does not stop when the finish line comes into view," Dr Tedros said.

"She runs harder, with all the energy she has left. So must we.

"We can see the finish line, we are in a winning position, but now is the worst time to stop running, now is the time to run harder and make sure we cross the line and reap the rewards of all our hard work."

Dr Tedros warned there was a risk of "more variants, more deaths, more disruption and more uncertainty" if the world relaxed its COVID measures now.


Which is exactly what Australia (and most of the western world) has done.

So... no Covid pandemic "finish line" coming into view for Australia, so it would seem.

Especially with more transmissible and vaccine evading variants on the way.

I've seen many comments on Twitter, etc. lately from people living overseas who cannot believe how Australia went from one of the best places in the world to be during the pandemic to one of the worst (if not THE worst) in such a short period of time.

But, that's what happens when medical experts are ignored and politicians and big business CEO's are allowed to dictate public health policy.

Why is that! to sanitised, to vaxxed, to herded, the worst in the world!
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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #19 - Sep 18th, 2022 at 10:30am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:39pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 6:34pm:
one wonders how dumb the public must be when they accept this person as the EU's expert on health...


Maggie De Block is a qualified medical practitioner who was Belgium's health
minister for six years.  In 2013, she was voted woman of the year by readers
of the newspaper La Libre Belgique. In 2013 and 2014 polls, she became the
most popular Flemish politician, ahead of the President of Flanders Kris Peeters.

Your offensive opinion is only too typical of judgemental, bigoted people who
practice body-discrimination simply because someone doesn't comply with their
personal opinion.

BTW, can I ask you if you have medical qualifications matching those of De Block?
Or are you simply another keyboard warrior preaching your bile anonymously?

       Angry


Didnt you know, horsepoo boy is a farmer and small businessman, he sells horsepoo at his front gate for $5 a bag.
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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #20 - Sep 18th, 2022 at 10:34am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:17pm:
A 2021 Health Department study in the ACT reported that 76.9% of hospitalised
COVID patients were unvaccinated
, and 19.4% were only partially vaccinated. 
The remaining 4% were considered break-through infections (fully vaccinated).




That's just more spin from "Big Farmer"
And you know who ELSE ?
"Big Hospital" and "Big Newspaper"

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Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'


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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #21 - Sep 18th, 2022 at 10:54am
 
scope wrote on Sep 18th, 2022 at 10:30am:
Didnt you know, horsepoo boy is a farmer and small businessman, he sells horsepoo at his front gate for $5 a bag.


Grin

Last I heard it was $2 a bag.

Must be inflation?

But, he still has an awful lot of horse poo that he needs to sell before he can have some of those mistresses and yachts he keeps telling us the pharmaceutical company (especially Pfizer) CEO's allegedly have.
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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #22 - Sep 18th, 2022 at 12:22pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:39pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 6:34pm:
one wonders how dumb the public must be when they accept this person as the EU's expert on health...


Maggie De Block is a qualified medical practitioner who was Belgium's health
minister for six years.  In 2013, she was voted woman of the year by readers
of the newspaper La Libre Belgique. In 2013 and 2014 polls, she became the
most popular Flemish politician, ahead of the President of Flanders Kris Peeters.

Your offensive opinion is only too typical of judgemental, bigoted people who
practice body-discrimination simply because someone doesn't comply with their
personal opinion.

BTW, can I ask you if you have medical qualifications matching those of De Block?
Or are you simply another keyboard warrior preaching your bile anonymously?

       Angry



lol

why would you take health advice from someone who is morbidly morbidly obese.

would you take mechanical advice from a mechanic who said he had to catch public transport because he couldnt get his car to work ?

would you employ a builder whose house fell down ?
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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #23 - Sep 18th, 2022 at 7:36pm
 
random wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 8:21pm:
Doesn't facebook and other social media ban posters like this?






This is an ENORMOUS ISSUE - that I've raised, PREVIOUSLY


Youtube
, Twitter and Facebook have ALL cleaned up their act regarding playing host to evil forces posting dangerously misleading information - to outright LIES - on their sites

You'll recall even
Donald Trump
was not immune from punishment - for repeatedly claiming that all you needed to cure COVID19 was a dose of ivermectin - with absolutely NO scientific or medical basis for his claim


After several warnings - he was hit with a LIFE-LONG BAN from Twitter for spreading these LIES on the Twitter platform.






But THIS PLACE - with no sense of morality or ethical standards - will gladly play host to all the DANGEROUSLY MISLEADING LIES the likes of "Yadda" can write








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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #24 - Sep 18th, 2022 at 8:11pm
 
Let's consider that statement. First of all those who have had vaccine boosters (23% of the population) are more likely to fall in the more senior age groups.

The risk of hospitalisation for different age groups are as follows:

40-49 - 2x the risk (compared to 18-29 year olds.)
50-64  3X the risk
65-74    5X the risk
75-84  8X the risk etc.

-and given the fact that the vaccines are less effective against new strains, those two facts together would probably lead to an increase in hospitalisation of the age groups concerned.

So in summary older people are more likely to have received boosters, and older people are more likely to be hospitalised with Covid anyway.

Very misleading. A causal link is implied where there is none.

Very dishonest Yadda. I'm ashamed of you.
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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #25 - Sep 19th, 2022 at 12:06am
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 18th, 2022 at 12:22pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:39pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 6:34pm:
one wonders how dumb the public must be when they accept this person as the EU's expert on health...

Maggie De Block is a qualified medical practitioner who was Belgium's health
minister for six years...

why would you take health advice from someone who is morbidly morbidly obese.

would you take mechanical advice from a mechanic who said he had to catch public transport because he couldn't get his car to work ?

would you employ a builder whose house fell down ?

Do you truly believe that a person's physical attributes profoundly
affect their mental acumen—to the extent that they're incapable of
doing their job in a purely administrative position?    Seriously?

That's a very shallow opinion, as well as a very discriminatory one.
You need to shift gear into the 21st century, and understand that
body-shaming is now a thing of the 1950s black and white TV era.

Your silly conflation of builders and mechanics with medical doctors
is nonsensical.

BTW, you haven't yet apprised us of your own medical qualifications
in order to dismiss those of De Blocks.      So....?


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Reply #26 - Sep 19th, 2022 at 12:45am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 18th, 2022 at 7:36pm:
...But THIS PLACE - with no sense of morality or ethical standards - will gladly play host to all the DANGEROUSLY MISLEADING LIES the likes of "Yadda" can write.

Yes.  I concur with this.

It concerns me too that there are far too many comments from members
positing absolutely absurd notions about COVID and its vaccines, with no
supporting evidence other than their own misinformed, injudicious personal
opinions.   And bear in mind that opinions in and of themselves do not in
any way equate to evidence.

And to cite acknowledged third-party conspiracy theorists in no way supports
these members claims.  Think of Joseph Mercola,  Andrew Wakefield, Tom Cotton,
Judy Mikovits, Francesco Billota, Annie Bukacek, David Icke, Alex Jones, and
even the failed former US president. 

Each promulgating bizarre, possibly life-threatening conspiracy theories—minus
of course any globally accredited medical evidence.

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Reply #27 - Sep 19th, 2022 at 5:25am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Sep 19th, 2022 at 12:06am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 18th, 2022 at 12:22pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:39pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 6:34pm:
one wonders how dumb the public must be when they accept this person as the EU's expert on health...

Maggie De Block is a qualified medical practitioner who was Belgium's health
minister for six years...

why would you take health advice from someone who is morbidly morbidly obese.

would you take mechanical advice from a mechanic who said he had to catch public transport because he couldn't get his car to work ?

would you employ a builder whose house fell down ?

Do you truly believe that a person's physical attributes profoundly
affect their mental acumen—to the extent that they're incapable of
doing their job in a purely administrative position?    Seriously?

That's a very shallow opinion, as well as a very discriminatory one.
You need to shift gear into the 21st century, and understand that
body-shaming is now a thing of the 1950s black and white TV era.

Your silly conflation of builders and mechanics with medical doctors
is nonsensical.

BTW, you haven't yet apprised us of your own medical qualifications
in order to dismiss those of De Blocks.      So....?





incorrect

the very BASIS of health is good nutition.

big food and big pharma have done a number on you.

if you listen to that whole rogan podcast, you will see that he breaks down the american food recommendations from the FDA.

they rate coco pops and cheerios as better foods then meat and eggs.

look it up!!!!

49 of the 50 people (including medical doctors) who constructed the list are compromised by big fodd and big pharma

what do eggs and beef contain?
cholesterol.

the cholesterol appears in the damaged blood vessels AFTER they are damaged.
it is trying to heal them.
why paint it as a villain?

$$$$$$$

thats why

but the number 1 selling drug in the world is pfizers lipitor to lower cholesterol.

and the number 2 and 3 are both drugs for type 2 diabetes.

we have a new diabetic diagnosed every 5 minutes in australia.
in 5 years, it is projected 50 % of the amercian population will be, not just overweight but obese.

we have life expectancy falling.

we have politicians in NY and Cali banning meat at schools on monday and friday and pushing profitable cheese and maccaroni and sugary muesli bars

these health ministers are lying to you
as is your doctor
as is coles and woolworths
as is your hospital where vending machines are availbale throughout selling processed carbs and sugary soft drinks


you are being FARMED

you are a farm animal making big food profit as you eat your crap diet (and avoid those nasty eggs and beef) and then when you get fat and sick, you are being farmed with the 3 most profitable drugs in the world being pumped down your throat.

you are being played and farmed and to celebrate an obese health minister who cant set a good example and be a good role model is , frankly , insane
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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #28 - Sep 19th, 2022 at 10:22pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 18th, 2022 at 12:22pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 11:39pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 17th, 2022 at 6:34pm:
one wonders how dumb the public must be when they accept this person as the EU's expert on health...


Maggie De Block is a qualified medical practitioner who was Belgium's health
minister for six years.  In 2013, she was voted woman of the year by readers
of the newspaper La Libre Belgique. In 2013 and 2014 polls, she became the
most popular Flemish politician, ahead of the President of Flanders Kris Peeters.

Your offensive opinion is only too typical of judgemental, bigoted people who
practice body-discrimination simply because someone doesn't comply with their
personal opinion.

BTW, can I ask you if you have medical qualifications matching those of De Block?
Or are you simply another keyboard warrior preaching your bile anonymously?

       Angry



lol

why would you take health advice from someone who is morbidly morbidly obese?


We need to study him.

5 years is the minimum.
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Re: Vaccine-boosted twice as likely to be hospitalized
Reply #29 - Sep 19th, 2022 at 10:33pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2022 at 10:35pm:
But surely that report cannot be correct !!??





Only to terminal incel dumbasses like yourself
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