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Question: Do you want royalty banished from our political system?
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Yes    
  15 (48.4%)
No    
  16 (51.6%)




Total votes: 31
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Reply #105 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:07pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 8:50pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:17pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 6:46pm:
So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?


I don't think you would have been able to do what QEII has done for 70 years.

You are lucky - and privileged - for having next to no duty, certainly nothing even remotely approaching hers.




Most of her duty was about - as an example -
cutting a ribbon at a bridge and saying -
I declare this bridge open.

Big deal - anyone could do that.
I'd do it for half the price.   Grin


She was not the captain at your village primary school, Bobby. You are taking the mindless parochial yokel and dorky bogan act waaaay too far.
She was the head of state and head of commonwealth.  God help us if you were to counsel prime ministers every week for 70 years.




which is not difficult it's just a ceremonial role. Even you could manage it sore end, with a little help



She would just take a marmalade sandwich out of her purse
and give it to the PM -
you know - like Paddington Bear.


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Reply #106 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:08pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:02pm:
Mimo the Mafioso is here.

Goodnight folks.



Don't go.   Cry
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Reply #107 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:18pm
 
chimera wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 12:57pm:
erm.. QE II didn't elect the GG. He's Horstralian.

The Governor-General is formally appointed by the monarch of Australia,
the Queen or King in terms of letters patent issued by the monarch at
some time during their reign and counter-signed by the then Australian
prime minister.

From Australian Federation in 1901 until 1965, 11 out of our 15 Governors-
General were British aristocrats
; they included six barons, two viscounts,
two earls, and one royal duke, Prince Henry, the Duke of Gloucester.

Quote:
A Governor-General appointed by the Queen shall be Her [His] Majesty's
representative in the Commonwealth, and shall have and may exercise in
the Commonwealth during the Queen's [King's] pleasure, but subject to this
Constitution, such powers and functions of the Queen [King] as Her [his] Majesty
may be pleased to assign to [him or] her.
(my brackets)

—The Australian Governor-General is an anachronistic position that needs to be
   abolished in Australia.      And now is as good a time as any.


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Reply #108 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:21pm
 

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Reply #109 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:21pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 8:50pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:17pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 6:46pm:
So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?


I don't think you would have been able to do what QEII has done for 70 years.

You are lucky - and privileged - for having next to no duty, certainly nothing even remotely approaching hers.




Most of her duty was about - as an example -
cutting a ribbon at a bridge and saying -
I declare this bridge open.

Big deal - anyone could do that.
I'd do it for half the price.   Grin


She was not the captain at your village primary school, Bobby. You are taking the mindless parochial yokel and dorky bogan act waaaay too far.
She was the head of state and head of commonwealth.  God help us if you were to counsel prime ministers every week for 70 years.




which is not difficult it's just a ceremonial role. Even you could manage it sore end, with a little help



So you just want a bogan to cut ribbons. And that would settle your soul and make the world right for you and bobby et al.  Not having a bogan ribbon cutter grates your sense of national pride. An Australian ribbon cutter expresses, finally and fully, who you are and puts your mind at ease with yourself as an Australian.

What is an Australian? Born here? Not born here but has passport holder after 3 year residency? Speaks no English but has an Australian passport? 4th + generation Anglo? Part Aboriginal? Italian mother, Greek father? Temporary resident for 6 years? Overseas born to one Australian parent? What?


What IS an Australian for HOS purposes?
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Reply #110 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:53pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:50pm:
The line between Royalty and Politics in Britain is more obvious than the 'blurred' one between the Democrats and the Media in the USA (in bed together).


The MSM market leader is in a sex dungeon with the republicans - more than just in bed with, Fox are the Republicans propaganda arm.
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Reply #111 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:58pm
 
A Sense of Duty Unsurpassed
Queen Elizabeth II’s formidable virtues create a problem for her successor, who cannot be as good as she.
Theodore Dalrymple

The sadness I naturally feel at the passing of someone important, who had, in a sense, accompanied me throughout my childhood, adolescence, adulthood, and into my old age, Queen Elizabeth II, is accompanied by a sense of foreboding as to what might follow. It might give an opportunity for political mischief-makers to make mischief, not for the sake of human improvement or happiness, but for the sake of making mischief.

In a way, this would be easy to do, precisely because of the way in which the late monarch had carried out her duties. When she was 21, she swore that she would devote her life to doing her duty, the duty thrust upon her by accident of birth, and no one could say, three-quarters of a century later, that she had not kept her vow. She was still performing her duty a few days before her death at 96. There must surely be very few examples of such single-minded dutifulness in contemporary history. That is why she maintained her popularity from the moment she ascended the throne to the day of her death. Her conduct was as modest as her position was exalted. She never made the mistake of thinking that she was an interesting or remarkable person in herself, and thereby became remarkable.

It is true that her working conditions were good, but good working conditions do not by themselves make a person virtuous. To retain a sense of limitation when she had spent an adult lifetime being deferred to, served, flattered, and welcomed by crowds wherever she went, was a great moral feat. No doubt her experiences during the war, when she shared some of the privations of the population, kept her on an even keel.

Her very virtues, however, have created a problem for her successor. He cannot be as good as she. Accustomed to a kind of perfection in the head of state, the British population, having no memory or experience of anything else (the queen’s father, George VI, whom she succeeded in 1952, having been equally popular), has come to expect such perfection as normal. The new monarch will therefore be under constant scrutiny and is almost bound to suffer by comparison.

The intensely dutiful way in which Queen Elizabeth II performed her role has, paradoxically, undermined the population’s understanding of constitutional monarchy. Just as many Americans now do not understand, or have turned their backs on, the role of the Constitution in political life, so many people in Britain no longer appreciate that the monarch is not a moral exemplar, to be revered as such. Charles III now becomes king not by virtue of his character, but by virtue of having been the previous monarch’s oldest son, and he would be monarch still if he were a lot worse than he is. Only if he were guilty of constitutional improprieties would he be removable: his peccadilloes are immaterial.

Not understanding this, many people think that Charles’s own elder son should be king because they see him as a better person than his father. They do not understand that the monarchy is neither electoral nor a moral beauty contest. The monarch is a symbol, not an exemplar. But they think that the queen was queen for so long because she was good.

And then, of course, there are also the republicans who want to fish in troubled waters. Starting from the irrationality of monarchy when considered from abstract first principles, they point to the deficiencies of any monarch, though this was harder to do in the late monarch’s case. In doing so, they forget that, in practice, people are infinitely more likely to be oppressed by their elected representatives than by their constitutional monarch, and indeed are increasingly oppressed by them every day of their lives. Like many intellectuals, they prefer to fight shadows rather than substantive beings: it is easier and more gratifying.

The queen is dead. Long live the king.
https://www.city-journal.org/queen-elizabeth-sense-of-duty-unsurpassed
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Reply #112 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:01pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:53pm:
Jasin wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:50pm:
The line between Royalty and Politics in Britain is more obvious than the 'blurred' one between the Democrats and the Media in the USA (in bed together).


The MSM market leader is in a sex dungeon with the republicans - more than just in bed with, Fox are the Republicans propaganda arm.



We need law and order.
Always remember -
love is just a kiss away -
rape and murder is just a shot away:


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Reply #113 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:17pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 6:46pm:
So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?


I don't think you would have been able to do what QEII has done for 70 years.

You are lucky - and privileged - for having next to no duty, certainly nothing even remotely approaching hers.




Most of her duty was about - as an example -
cutting a ribbon at a bridge and saying -
I declare this bridge open.

Big deal - anyone could do that.
I'd do it for half the price.   Grin

Pure cultural Marxism, right there.

Terrible.

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Reply #114 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 11:17pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:21pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:17pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 7:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 6:46pm:
So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?


I don't think you would have been able to do what QEII has done for 70 years.

You are lucky - and privileged - for having next to no duty, certainly nothing even remotely approaching hers.




Most of her duty was about - as an example -
cutting a ribbon at a bridge and saying -
I declare this bridge open.

Big deal - anyone could do that.
I'd do it for half the price.   Grin

Pure cultural Marxism, right there.

Terrible.



I see this as a profit driven competitive market offer, couldn't get further from Marxism or culture..
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Reply #115 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 11:26pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 11:17pm:
I see this as a profit driven competitive market offer, couldn't get further from Marxism or culture..



How about if they make me the new King of Australia?
We could organise a ceremony where
I receive a sword from the lady of the lake -
and to the sound of trumpets we'll have King Bobby.


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Reply #116 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 11:55pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 11:26pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 11:17pm:
I see this as a profit driven competitive market offer, couldn't get further from Marxism or culture..



How about if they make me the new King of Australia?
We could organise a ceremony where
I receive a sword from the lady of the lake -
and to the sound of trumpets we'll have King Bobby.




I like it better Idea than a President and how inspiring to have gone from Bobby the Bat to King Bobby I

Well done - congratulations.
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Reply #117 - Sep 12th, 2022 at 7:24am
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 11:55pm:
I like it better Idea than a President and how inspiring to have gone from Bobby the Bat to King Bobby I

Well done - congratulations.



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Reply #118 - Sep 12th, 2022 at 9:55am
 
This poll is nonsense (Blobby as usual). They have no influence at all..........you dummy.
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Reply #119 - Sep 12th, 2022 at 9:57am
 
Hey. Fuzzy's back! Cool
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