Australian Politics Forum - Time for a republic.

Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #210 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 8:34pm Over it.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102284 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #211 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 8:41pm Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 8:33pm: Dear God what is wrong with this topic .... Why do you keep flipping the page when it flipped ages ago?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #212 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 9:03pm Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 8:33pm: Dear God what is wrong with this topic .... Abandonware, i.e. YABB.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #213 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 9:04pm .
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102284 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #214 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 9:11pm Ok - the page has flipped at reply 213 - don't keep flipping it.
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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #215 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 10:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us
that we can't cope without an anachronistic, outdated system from
1000 years ago that has privilege by birth and not merit as the core of its belief.
It's saying that we're too stupid to elect our own representatives
and govern ourselves.

It's time to become a republic.
Now - who would we have as the equivalent of our Governor General?
How would we decide?
Would we vote as the Americans do for their president?

We wouldn't accept just any wording for a new constitution.
The problem would be to elect someone honest enough
to be our governor general.
I don't like the idea as per now of the Prime Minister deciding for us -
and then both of them having the power to sack each other.

We had an example of an outrageous abuse of power that
Scott Morrison was made a minister of 5 portfolios
in such secrecy that not even his own ministers knew -
let alone the public.
That must have been because the Governor General
was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree?
That is something you'd expect to find in a
banana republic or a 3rd world country.
It's totally unacceptable.

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To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us

I see this as the worst reason available but the one that everyone rolls out without anything reasoned to support it.

For a start I would say that the exact opposite is true.

I don't see us as a small snivelling people frightened by our own shadow crying about perceptions that nobody really believes or cares about.

So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?

Merit is the system with the least merit. Mostly merit is translated to someone I like better. A correct identification on merit is extremely rare and in many cases non existent.

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Reply #216 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 10:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 7:43pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 7:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 6:53pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 6:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:04am:

But FD said "no-one is falling for it"

Half the country wants to stick with the current system.
The other half doesn't like any of the proposed alternatives.

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is
no basis for a system of government.
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses,
not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

That is soo stupid, Bobby, that I am guessing you are knowingly unserious.

Monty Python had a way of getting to the truth with satirical comedy.

Don't be stupid. The HOS is not a 'system of government'. The whole point is to have someone apolitical ABOVE the government. Someone who is NOT elected just like the government but is there for everyone, not just those who voted for him.

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Reply #217 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:23am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 10:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us
that we can't cope without an anachronistic, outdated system from
1000 years ago that has privilege by birth and not merit as the core of its belief.
It's saying that we're too stupid to elect our own representatives
and govern ourselves.

It's time to become a republic.
Now - who would we have as the equivalent of our Governor General?
How would we decide?
Would we vote as the Americans do for their president?

We wouldn't accept just any wording for a new constitution.
The problem would be to elect someone honest enough
to be our governor general.
I don't like the idea as per now of the Prime Minister deciding for us -
and then both of them having the power to sack each other.

We had an example of an outrageous abuse of power that
Scott Morrison was made a minister of 5 portfolios
in such secrecy that not even his own ministers knew -
let alone the public.
That must have been because the Governor General
was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree?
That is something you'd expect to find in a
banana republic or a 3rd world country.
It's totally unacceptable.

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To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us

I see this as the worst reason available but the one that everyone rolls out without anything reasoned to support it.

For a start I would say that the exact opposite is true.

I don't see us as a small snivelling people frightened by our own shadow crying about perceptions that nobody really believes or cares about.

So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?

Merit is the system with the least merit. Mostly merit is translated to someone I like better. A correct identification on merit is extremely rare and in many cases non existent.

certainly in many chode professions, this is true.
academia, the public service, social work, the disability sector, aged care, teaching, robotic jobs working for a boss....its almost impossible to sort out merit.

in the trades, mechanics, electricians, plant operators, fencers, accountants, neurosurgeons, dentists, cattle raising, cropping, SAS pre selection, sports

in these areas, you can establish a reputation,
the market can judge you
you open yourself up to the criticiasm of the market
you rise or fail according to your merit.

comservative professions, athletic prowess, business ...these areas allow the superior man to shine.

the inferior man will become a cog in the mattrix for the very reason that he does not have grit guts and self beleif.

if you are a chode, the idea of working a lame ass job and then whining about trump and hating on successful sportsmen and business people has appeal.
it stops you reflecting on your own cowardice and laziness

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135960 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #218 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 6:58am aquascoot wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:23am: if you are a chode, the idea of working a lame ass job and then whining about trump and hating on successful sportsmen and business people has appeal. Now there's something you don't see every day: "successful business people" and "Trump" in the same sentence.
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Reply #219 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:20am

We don't get a car licence on our merits of community service and football skills. It's a system where anyone can be licensed according to set rules (but can't drive if they fail the rules). Corruption is possible but rare.

The Constitution has a smart system where the GG is out of politics, well paid and shuts up. Same with UK, it's worked since being developed since the 1600s.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #220 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 6:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:23am:

if you are a chode, the idea of working a lame ass job and then whining about trump and hating on successful sportsmen and business people has appeal.

Now there's something you don't see every day: "successful business people" and "Trump" in the same sentence.

The absolute Pinnacle of business success is to become the CEO of the United states proprietary limited

Trump achieved this Pinnacle he climbed Everest

It is doubtful greggy could run a sausage sizzle at Bunnings
Pinnacle for him would be standing on tippy toes to read the menu at a maccas

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11564 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #221 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:27am aquascoot wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:22am: The absolute Pinnacle of business success is to become the CEO of the United states proprietary limited Trump achieved this Pinnacle he climbed Everest The absolute Pinnacle of business success for whom?
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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10765 armidale Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #222 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:36am Trump sets new records for a snow job at the highest levels of fraud. 'Donald Trump casts himself as a protector of workers and jobs, but a USA TODAY NETWORK investigation found hundreds of people – carpenters, dishwashers, painters, even his own lawyers – who say he didn’t pay them for their work'.
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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #223 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:41am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us
that we can't cope without an anachronistic, outdated system from
1000 years ago that has privilege by birth and not merit as the core of its belief.
It's saying that we're too stupid to elect our own representatives
and govern ourselves.

It's time to become a republic.
Now - who would we have as the equivalent of our Governor General?
How would we decide?
Would we vote as the Americans do for their president?

We wouldn't accept just any wording for a new constitution.
The problem would be to elect someone honest enough
to be our governor general.
I don't like the idea as per now of the Prime Minister deciding for us -
and then both of them having the power to sack each other.

We had an example of an outrageous abuse of power that
Scott Morrison was made a minister of 5 portfolios
in such secrecy that not even his own ministers knew -
let alone the public.
That must have been because the Governor General
was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree?
That is something you'd expect to find in a
banana republic or a 3rd world country.
It's totally unacceptable.

Quote:

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us

I see this as the worst reason available but the one that everyone rolls out without anything reasoned to support it.

For a start I would say that the exact opposite is true.

I don't see us as a small snivelling people frightened by our own shadow crying about perceptions that nobody really believes or cares about.

I agree. 'Updating' to a republic to 'go with the times' is like corporate re-branding. Unworthy of a confident, mature country.
Today is made of yesterday, every country IS its history. Restarting history is folly. Australia is a constitutional monarchy.

Canada, being next to a republic that rejected the monarchy in a revolution, is not so exercised by republicanism and is happy to be distinct from the US in this issue (as well).

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Reply #224 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:43am

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:20am:

We don't get a car licence on our merits of community service and football skills. It's a system where anyone can be licensed according to set rules (but can't drive if they fail the rules). Corruption is possible but rare.

The Constitution has a smart system where the GG is out of politics, well paid and shuts up. Same with UK, it's worked since being developed since the 1600s.

Now you know why we're all asking these 2 questions:

1. Do we need a GG?

2. Do we need a Head of State?

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