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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #286 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:00pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:27pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:50pm:

FD, fix up this shite software - I can't reply to something that was posted 4 or 5 posts ago.

Is this your doing?? It is not happening on every board.

people have been complaining about this for years. He's even been given alternatives to this software that he might use to try and help him. FD just doesn't care.

It does make things interesting.

it stifles conversation and discourages participation

We don't just work around it ?

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #287 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:04pm

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:54pm:

"The Bogan"

I replied to this post even though it wasn't displayed by selecting reply, the full list of posts lists below and you can select quote from there.

Sometimes you need to select quote on the last post and delete the text.

Don't tell the righties it is fun to watch them Flailing around in the dark.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #289 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 6:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

They are saying "Head of State" now.
Few years back and again more so - they were saying "President as Head of State".

Yes, because people are basically stupid and when they hear the word 'President' they immediately think our republic will be the same as the US.

It won't, so they're avoiding the use of the term 'President' so as not to confuse the average Australian ignorant of political matters.

I'm glad they took my advice on this matter.

Crap on.
The Celebrities and their A.R.M rubbish are basically American Media nobs. Everyone knows their desire for a Republic is to undermine anything British here with nothing but an Irish cliche to work on as a Republic. The 'American' influence is overwelmingly obvious, ...

So obvious, in fact, that they never use the term 'President' for HOS anywhere on their website.

https://republic.org.au/

Dear oh dear Roll Eyes

Page 66 here:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b531a35b98a78268300cad6/t/624372e0f12eeb...

Thanks Bobby.

However, there's no page 66. It's only 62 pages long.

It does say this though:

"Note also that several sections of the current Constitution (ss 17, 18, 19, 21, 23) include the term 'President'.
These refer specifically to the office of the President of the Senate, and should not be confused with any
proposal for the title 'President' for a republican Head of State (as found in the 1999 Constitution (Establishment
of Republic) Bill), nor pre-empt any future decision about the title."

Checked - it's page 66 on the .pdf I got from that link.

I don't know if I can be bothered reading 69 pages?

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #290 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 6:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

They are saying "Head of State" now.
Few years back and again more so - they were saying "President as Head of State".

Yes, because people are basically stupid and when they hear the word 'President' they immediately think our republic will be the same as the US.

It won't, so they're avoiding the use of the term 'President' so as not to confuse the average Australian ignorant of political matters.

I'm glad they took my advice on this matter.

Crap on.
The Celebrities and their A.R.M rubbish are basically American Media nobs. Everyone knows their desire for a Republic is to undermine anything British here with nothing but an Irish cliche to work on as a Republic. The 'American' influence is overwelmingly obvious, ...

So obvious, in fact, that they never use the term 'President' for HOS anywhere on their website.

https://republic.org.au/

Dear oh dear Roll Eyes

Page 66 here:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b531a35b98a78268300cad6/t/624372e0f12eeb...

Thanks Bobby.

However, there's no page 66. It's only 62 pages long.

It does say this though:

"Note also that several sections of the current Constitution (ss 17, 18, 19, 21, 23) include the term 'President'.
These refer specifically to the office of the President of the Senate, and should not be confused with any
proposal for the title 'President' for a republican Head of State (as found in the 1999 Constitution (Establishment
of Republic) Bill), nor pre-empt any future decision about the title."

Checked - it's page 66 on the .pdf I got from that link.

I don't know if I can be bothered reading 69 pages?

No the limit is 67 pages.

Sometimes the document page count is different from the actual page count. If the doc has 3 blank pages followed by a title page then an index the next page may be page 1 of the doc but the 5th page of the document.

Page 1 of this doc is called

"i"

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #291 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 6:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

They are saying "Head of State" now.
Few years back and again more so - they were saying "President as Head of State".

Yes, because people are basically stupid and when they hear the word 'President' they immediately think our republic will be the same as the US.

It won't, so they're avoiding the use of the term 'President' so as not to confuse the average Australian ignorant of political matters.

I'm glad they took my advice on this matter.

Crap on.
The Celebrities and their A.R.M rubbish are basically American Media nobs. Everyone knows their desire for a Republic is to undermine anything British here with nothing but an Irish cliche to work on as a Republic. The 'American' influence is overwelmingly obvious, ...

So obvious, in fact, that they never use the term 'President' for HOS anywhere on their website.

https://republic.org.au/

Dear oh dear Roll Eyes

Page 66 here:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b531a35b98a78268300cad6/t/624372e0f12eeb...

Thanks Bobby.

However, there's no page 66. It's only 62 pages long.

It does say this though:

"Note also that several sections of the current Constitution (ss 17, 18, 19, 21, 23) include the term 'President'.
These refer specifically to the office of the President of the Senate, and should not be confused with any
proposal for the title 'President' for a republican Head of State (as found in the 1999 Constitution (Establishment
of Republic) Bill), nor pre-empt any future decision about the title."

Checked - it's page 66 on the .pdf I got from that link.

I don't know if I can be bothered reading 69 pages?

I'm reading the .pdf, and there are only 62 pages.

No idea where you're getting "69 pages".

nor pre-empt any future decision about the title

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #292 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:15pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

No the limit is 67 pages.

Sometimes the document page count is different from the actual page count. If the doc has 3 blank pages followed by a title page then an index the next page may be page 1 of the doc but the 5th page of the document.

Oh dear ......

Just had another look - I'm wrong.
It says 59 in the bottom right hand corner for the screenshot I took
but in the top left hand corner it says 66 of 69.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #293 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:17pm

Okay, I see the confusion regarding pages numbers now. My bad.

Anyway, nowhere do they promote using the term 'President' for the Republic's Head of State.

"Note also that several sections of the current Constitution (ss 17, 18, 19, 21, 23) include the term 'President'.
These refer specifically to the office of the President of the Senate, and should not be confused with any
proposal for the title 'President' for a republican Head of State (as found in the 1999 Constitution (Establishment
of Republic) Bill), nor pre-empt any future decision about the title."

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #294 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 6:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

They are saying "Head of State" now.
Few years back and again more so - they were saying "President as Head of State".

Yes, because people are basically stupid and when they hear the word 'President' they immediately think our republic will be the same as the US.

It won't, so they're avoiding the use of the term 'President' so as not to confuse the average Australian ignorant of political matters.

I'm glad they took my advice on this matter.

Crap on.
The Celebrities and their A.R.M rubbish are basically American Media nobs. Everyone knows their desire for a Republic is to undermine anything British here with nothing but an Irish cliche to work on as a Republic. The 'American' influence is overwelmingly obvious, ...

So obvious, in fact, that they never use the term 'President' for HOS anywhere on their website.

https://republic.org.au/

Dear oh dear Roll Eyes

Page 66 here:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b531a35b98a78268300cad6/t/624372e0f12eeb...

Thanks Bobby.

However, there's no page 66. It's only 62 pages long.

It does say this though:

"Note also that several sections of the current Constitution (ss 17, 18, 19, 21, 23) include the term 'President'.
These refer specifically to the office of the President of the Senate, and should not be confused with any
proposal for the title 'President' for a republican Head of State (as found in the 1999 Constitution (Establishment
of Republic) Bill), nor pre-empt any future decision about the title."

Checked - it's page 66 on the .pdf I got from that link.

I don't know if I can be bothered reading 69 pages?

I'm reading the .pdf, and there are only 62 pages.

No idea where you're getting "69 pages".

nor pre-empt any future decision about the title

OK - so they are holding "President" in reserve.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #295 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 6:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

They are saying "Head of State" now.
Few years back and again more so - they were saying "President as Head of State".

Yes, because people are basically stupid and when they hear the word 'President' they immediately think our republic will be the same as the US.

It won't, so they're avoiding the use of the term 'President' so as not to confuse the average Australian ignorant of political matters.

I'm glad they took my advice on this matter.

Crap on.
The Celebrities and their A.R.M rubbish are basically American Media nobs. Everyone knows their desire for a Republic is to undermine anything British here with nothing but an Irish cliche to work on as a Republic. The 'American' influence is overwelmingly obvious, ...

So obvious, in fact, that they never use the term 'President' for HOS anywhere on their website.

https://republic.org.au/

Dear oh dear Roll Eyes

Page 66 here:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b531a35b98a78268300cad6/t/624372e0f12eeb...

Thanks Bobby.

However, there's no page 66. It's only 62 pages long.

It does say this though:

"Note also that several sections of the current Constitution (ss 17, 18, 19, 21, 23) include the term 'President'.
These refer specifically to the office of the President of the Senate, and should not be confused with any
proposal for the title 'President' for a republican Head of State (as found in the 1999 Constitution (Establishment
of Republic) Bill), nor pre-empt any future decision about the title."

Checked - it's page 66 on the .pdf I got from that link.

I don't know if I can be bothered reading 69 pages?

I'm reading the .pdf, and there are only 62 pages.

No idea where you're getting "69 pages".

nor pre-empt any future decision about the title

OK - so they are holding "President" in reserve.

I read that they want to stay out of that discussion as they know it has the potential to derail what they want. Maybe they also prefer "The Great Gazoo".

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #296 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:27pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 6:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

They are saying "Head of State" now.
Few years back and again more so - they were saying "President as Head of State".

Yes, because people are basically stupid and when they hear the word 'President' they immediately think our republic will be the same as the US.

It won't, so they're avoiding the use of the term 'President' so as not to confuse the average Australian ignorant of political matters.

I'm glad they took my advice on this matter.

Crap on.
The Celebrities and their A.R.M rubbish are basically American Media nobs. Everyone knows their desire for a Republic is to undermine anything British here with nothing but an Irish cliche to work on as a Republic. The 'American' influence is overwelmingly obvious, ...

So obvious, in fact, that they never use the term 'President' for HOS anywhere on their website.

https://republic.org.au/

Dear oh dear Roll Eyes

Page 66 here:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b531a35b98a78268300cad6/t/624372e0f12eeb...

Thanks Bobby.

However, there's no page 66. It's only 62 pages long.

It does say this though:

"Note also that several sections of the current Constitution (ss 17, 18, 19, 21, 23) include the term 'President'.
These refer specifically to the office of the President of the Senate, and should not be confused with any
proposal for the title 'President' for a republican Head of State (as found in the 1999 Constitution (Establishment
of Republic) Bill), nor pre-empt any future decision about the title."

Checked - it's page 66 on the .pdf I got from that link.

I don't know if I can be bothered reading 69 pages?

I'm reading the .pdf, and there are only 62 pages.

No idea where you're getting "69 pages".

nor pre-empt any future decision about the title

OK - so they are holding "President" in reserve.

I read that they want to stay out of that discussion as they know it has the potential to derail what they want.

Exactly.

They appear to be on the same page as me.

Remove monarch, Governor General becomes Head of State, and the term 'Governor General' is replaced with 'Head of State'.

Makes perfect sense.

We don't want a "President".

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #297 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:27pm:

Exactly.

They appear to be on the same page as me.

Remove monarch, Governor General becomes Head of State, and the term 'Governor General' is replaced with 'Head of State'.

Makes perfect sense.

We don't want a "President".

The USA, France and many other countries have presidents -
it obviously works.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #298 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:27pm:

Exactly.

They appear to be on the same page as me.

Remove monarch, Governor General becomes Head of State, and the term 'Governor General' is replaced with 'Head of State'.

Makes perfect sense.

We don't want a "President".

The USA, France and many other countries have presidents -
it obviously works.

Of course it (the position) works - it's just a name though.

A bunch of random symbols linked together.

But Australians are pretty stupid - when they see those randoms symbols linked together - President - they think of the USA and Trump/Biden/Clinton/Nixon/et al.

They think our republic will be the same as the US republic.

It won't.

As such, we should not use that term.

Just use 'Head of State'.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #299 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:27pm:

Exactly.

They appear to be on the same page as me.

Remove monarch, Governor General becomes Head of State, and the term 'Governor General' is replaced with 'Head of State'.

Makes perfect sense.

We don't want a "President".

The USA, France and many other countries have presidents -
it obviously works.

Of course it (the position) works - it's just a name though.

A bunch of random symbols linked together.

But Australians are pretty stupid - when they see those randoms symbols linked together - President - they think of the USA and Trump/Biden/Clinton/Nixon/et al.

They think our republic will be the same as the US republic.

It won't.

As such, we should not use that term.

Just use 'Head of State'.

Did you ever watch the TV series " Alistair Cook's America "?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Cooke%27s_America

He explained that the founding fathers of America chose a political system
based on the best systems from around the world but mostly Europe.
Notice they didn't include Kings and Queens or any monarchy?

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