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Reply #300 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:27pm:

Exactly.

They appear to be on the same page as me.

Remove monarch, Governor General becomes Head of State, and the term 'Governor General' is replaced with 'Head of State'.

Makes perfect sense.

We don't want a "President".

The USA, France and many other countries have presidents -
it obviously works.

Of course it (the position) works - it's just a name though.

A bunch of random symbols linked together.

But Australians are pretty stupid - when they see those randoms symbols linked together - President - they think of the USA and Trump/Biden/Clinton/Nixon/et al.

They think our republic will be the same as the US republic.

It won't.

As such, we should not use that term.

Just use 'Head of State'.

Did you ever watch the TV series " Alistair Cook's America "?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Cooke%27s_America

He explained that the founding fathers of America chose a political system
based on the best systems from around the world but mostly Europe.
Notice they didn't include Kings and Queens or any monarchy?

True, but the system they designed is now revealing its flaws. Would a monarchy unify America? We will never know.

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Reply #301 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:27pm:

Exactly.

They appear to be on the same page as me.

Remove monarch, Governor General becomes Head of State, and the term 'Governor General' is replaced with 'Head of State'.

Makes perfect sense.

We don't want a "President".

The USA, France and many other countries have presidents -
it obviously works.

Countries that don't have monarchies have leaders who sometimes take on those monarchial characteristics.

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Reply #302 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:27pm:

Exactly.

They appear to be on the same page as me.

Remove monarch, Governor General becomes Head of State, and the term 'Governor General' is replaced with 'Head of State'.

Makes perfect sense.

We don't want a "President".

The USA, France and many other countries have presidents -
it obviously works.

President Idi Amin Thought so as did President Robert Mugabe.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58007 Here Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #303 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:37pm XYZ
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #304 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:45pm Harry is the most whipped man in the history of henpecked. Maybe Markle will let him have a go at an American monarchy.
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Reply #305 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 12:01am

GG Hurley was chief of Defence force which is a monarch's role. He is chosen by the elected ministers. The British person has no function in Australia except to fill the photo frame in some offices. Another GG will appear soon like a president does. For goodness sake, the dictator chief of Chinese Communists, Hu Jintao was invited into Parliament House. How often has a royal sat there?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102284 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #306 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 12:03am AiA wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:45pm: Harry is the most whipped man in the history of henpecked. Maybe Markle will let him have a go at an American monarchy. pussy-whipped adjective (of a man) submitting to a wife's or girlfriend's will, implicitly under threat of the denial of sexual activities
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Reply #307 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 12:23am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 12:03am:

AiA wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 10:45pm:

Harry is the most whipped man in the history of henpecked. Maybe Markle will let him have a go at an American monarchy.

pussy-whipped

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(of a man) submitting to a wife's or girlfriend's will, implicitly under threat of the denial of sexual activities

Captain Obvious

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34205 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #308 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 5:13am people need to build self reliance the last thing we need is more authority figures. we need to become our own authority figures. we dont need a head of state on the public purse. we have a PM. thats our head of state
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Reply #309 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 7:43am

aquascoot wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 5:13am:

people need to build self reliance

the last thing we need is more authority figures.

we need to become our own authority figures.

we dont need a head of state on the public purse.

we have a PM.

thats our head of state

Had Scott Morrison been HOS and HOG (i.e. effectively an executive president), how many more portfolios do you think he would have arrogated to himself?

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #310 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 7:53am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 7:43am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 5:13am:

people need to build self reliance

the last thing we need is more authority figures.

we need to become our own authority figures.

we dont need a head of state on the public purse.

we have a PM.

thats our head of state

Had Scott Morrison been HOS and HOG (i.e. effectively an executive president), how many more portfolios do you think he would have arrogated to himself?

Scott would have made himself PM for life with
the power of life and death over all of us at his whim.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #311 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:14am

'In the U.S. government, checks and balances refers to the separation of power in the government, which is ensured through the establishment of three different branches: the executive branch, the judicial branch, and the legislative branch'.

It was not illegal for Scomo to have other ministries but it would be if he appointed Bobby as Minister for Royals. And Scomo was elected so republic-style by itself won't prevent rorts. But an independent head can check on dodgy deals and use law to keep the gents honest.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11559 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #312 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:20am The primary role of the head of state, when separated from the role of the head of government, is to defend the constitution, not the government.
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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #313 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 9:06am

chimera wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:14am:

'In the U.S. government, checks and balances refers to the separation of power in the government, which is ensured through the establishment of three different branches: the executive branch, the judicial branch, and the legislative branch'.

It was not illegal for Scomo to have other ministries but it would be if he appointed Bobby as Minister for Royals. And Scomo was elected so republic-style by itself won't prevent rorts. But an independent head can check on dodgy deals and use law to keep the gents honest.

Power does strange things to people.
I've seen examples in the workplace of managers
that would try to micro manage everything and become
a total nuisance to the point of delaying urgent jobs
over minor points when there were more
important things for them to worry about.
ScoMo obviously wanted to be involved in everything
and didn't trust his own team of ministers.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #314 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 9:13am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 9:06am:

chimera wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:14am:

'In the U.S. government, checks and balances refers to the separation of power in the government, which is ensured through the establishment of three different branches: the executive branch, the judicial branch, and the legislative branch'.

It was not illegal for Scomo to have other ministries but it would be if he appointed Bobby as Minister for Royals. And Scomo was elected so republic-style by itself won't prevent rorts. But an independent head can check on dodgy deals and use law to keep the gents honest.

Power does strange things to people.
I've seen examples in the workplace of managers
that would try to micro manage everything and become
a total nuisance to the point of delaying urgent jobs
over minor points when there were more
important things for them to worry about.
ScoMo obviously wanted to be involved in everything
and didn't trust his own team of ministers.

Power is like acid - there is almost nothing they cannot corrupt.

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