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Reply #330 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 4:42pm

Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

What is an Australian? Born here? Not born here but has passport holder after 3 year residency? Speaks no English but has an Australian passport? 4th + generation Anglo? Part Aboriginal? Italian mother, Greek father? Temporary resident for 6 years? Overseas born to one Australian parent? What?

What IS an Australian for HOS purposes? The same people who denigrate nationalism in every other context are fervent nationalists when it come to the HOS. The same people who identify Australians as beer swilling racists are calling for "one of us' to be HOS.

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How to select a HOS if hereditary monarchy is to be replaced? How do you make the choice as non-political as what you want to replace? The biggest problem with the American model is that it combines the
HOS and the head of government in the same person.

and the commander in chief of the armed forces -

and the only person with his finger on the nuclear button. Shocked

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Reply #331 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 5:47pm

Well - when the British opened negotiations with the Rebel Colonies, they addressed correspondence to 'His Excellency, George Washington' not to the national congress ... signifying that they considered him a 'king'...

Georgie didn't, of course... but was first in line for El Presidente...

All systems of government are imperfect - some are more imperfect than others....

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83533 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #332 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 5:49pm Well - his mother has passed away and he is clearly upset. Stupid pen.... what kind of lackeys do we employ at the castle these days....
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Reply #333 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 5:54pm

We'll have to set up divisions of citizenship..... Borneres... if you're not Bornere you can't be HOS... simple really.... citizenship should be carefully regulated and a provisional citizenship exercising rights available after three years but provision for a further seven - if you FU royally in that time - do drugs, terrorism, crime, or other stuff - it's Offski and Goneski...

We're tired of feeding Effnicks in the prison system... HomeGrown Blecks should be quarantined in their own Noweto when they play up etc... with no rules other than local rules....

"You pley up 'ere, boy, an' you git spear or arrow!"

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Reply #334 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 6:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 4:24pm:

They're giving the idiot judge a chance to redeem herself before she makes a bigger twat of herself by having her ruling overturned, marking her as a quack judge.

Aye and it's the Department of Justice talking to a US Supreme Court Judge in such a manner. And seemingly she serves Trump not the US, defending his national security breaches at the top level of nuclear weapons. And that is another form of 6th January attack on the nation, where Trump the US President sent armed men who attacked US police.

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Reply #335 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 7:50pm

chimera wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 6:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 4:24pm:

They're giving the idiot judge a chance to redeem herself before she makes a bigger twat of herself by having her ruling overturned, marking her as a quack judge.

Aye and it's the Department of Justice talking to a US Supreme Court Judge in such a manner. And seemingly she serves Trump not the US, defending his national security breaches at the top level of nuclear weapons. And that is another form of 6th January attack on the nation, where Trump the US President sent armed men who attacked US police.

The risk is that it was pre agreed with the 11 circuit on Trumps behalf. They are looking to stall it and this may be a good path to achieve that goal.

Obviously if it is overturned then Trump likely appeals it to the supreme court.

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Reply #336 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:13pm

There's more to it, it's not just business as usual. Mr T is against the interests of the US and has his judges acting for him.

Trump v. United States
District Court, S.D. Florida
Last Updated: Sept. 14, 2022,
Assigned To: Aileen M. Cannon.

It's not just a court case, the executive and judicial branches of the US are in a conflict where Trump is corrupting the foundations of the nation. Democracy is fragile and depends on concerted goodwill, a variable and unenforceable emotion. Hitler easily got his way, Trump is 50% there.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11555 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #337 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:30pm chimera wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:13pm: There's more to it, it's not just business as usual. Mr T is against the interests of the US and has his judges acting for him. They will all soon be outed as the anti-democrats they are. Sewerage to be hosed out.
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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9767 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #338 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 10:47pm Running about 50-50 on this poll .... other polls out in the wider community are running about 60-40 to retain the Monarchy. I reckon the Republican movement has a long time to go before any real headway is made.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102284 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #339 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 10:54pm The royal family contains many fake people: The Princess Royal did not serve in the military herself, but like many royals she holds a number of military honours and titles and wears a military uniform when she wants to look important. https://inews.co.uk/news/princess-anne-was-military-royal-uniform-why-service-ex...
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Reply #340 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:04pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 10:47pm:

Running about 50-50 on this poll .... other polls out in the wider community are running about 60-40 to retain the Monarchy.

I reckon the Republican movement has a long time to go before any real headway is made.

The reasons given for this change seems to be a scatter gun approach everyone who wants to go to a republic has their own differing reasons. There is no sensible consistent logical narrative, its just a mess.

And then the problems really shine out when you get to the process if there is one. Then there are the scantly detailed model(s), naming conventions, rules, risks and costs.

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Reply #341 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 10:54pm:

The royal family contains many fake people:
The Princess Royal did not serve in the military herself,
but like many royals she holds a number of military honours and titles
and wears a military uniform when she wants to look important.

https://inews.co.uk/news/princess-anne-was-military-royal-uniform-why-service-ex...

[url]https://wp.inews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/SEI_125096901-e1663
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How many do you think will think that a royal dressing up when a queen dies after 70 years would be an incentive for doing this ?

I see it as benign at best - simply irrelevant.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #342 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:04pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 10:47pm:

Running about 50-50 on this poll .... other polls out in the wider community are running about 60-40 to retain the Monarchy.

I reckon the Republican movement has a long time to go before any real headway is made.

The reasons given for this change seems to be a scatter gun approach everyone who wants to go to a republic has their own differing reasons. There is no sensible consistent logical narrative, its just a mess.

And then the problems really shine out when you get to the process if there is one. Then there are the scantly detailed model(s), naming conventions, rules, risks and costs.

It's a terrible to thing to argue that we can only have
a successful system based on nonsense about magical swords
and self given titles of importance from an entitled family in the UK.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #343 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:04pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 10:47pm:

Running about 50-50 on this poll .... other polls out in the wider community are running about 60-40 to retain the Monarchy.

I reckon the Republican movement has a long time to go before any real headway is made.

The reasons given for this change seems to be a scatter gun approach everyone who wants to go to a republic has their own differing reasons. There is no sensible consistent logical narrative, its just a mess.

And then the problems really shine out when you get to the process if there is one. Then there are the scantly detailed model(s), naming conventions, rules, risks and costs.

It's a terrible to thing to argue that we can only have
a successful system based on nonsense about magical swords
and self given titles of importance from an entitled family in the UK.

No what we have is what we have warts and all it works great.

The point is justifying a change. It should not be as difficult as it is made to seem. Here for instance we have close to 350 posts and nobody has made the slightest impact in this area.

Not one single convincing post laying out a compelling positive argument. To this point nobody has got past step 1.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #344 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:04pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 10:47pm:

Running about 50-50 on this poll .... other polls out in the wider community are running about 60-40 to retain the Monarchy.

I reckon the Republican movement has a long time to go before any real headway is made.

The reasons given for this change seems to be a scatter gun approach everyone who wants to go to a republic has their own differing reasons. There is no sensible consistent logical narrative, its just a mess.

And then the problems really shine out when you get to the process if there is one. Then there are the scantly detailed model(s), naming conventions, rules, risks and costs.

It's a terrible to thing to argue that we can only have
a successful system based on nonsense about magical swords
and self given titles of importance from an entitled family in the UK.

No what we have is what we have warts and all it works great.

The point is justifying a change. It should not be as difficult as it is made to seem. Here for instance we have close to 350 posts and nobody has made the slightest impact in this area.

Not one single convincing post laying out a compelling positive argument. To this point nobody has got past step 1.

I made many good points. Cry

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