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Bobby.

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Time for a republic.
Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us
that we can't cope without an anachronistic, outdated system from
1000 years ago that has privilege by birth and not merit as the core of its belief.
It's saying that we're too stupid to elect our own representatives
and govern ourselves.

It's time to become a republic.
Now - who would we have as the equivalent of our Governor General?
How would we decide?
Would we vote as the Americans do for their president?

We wouldn't accept just any wording for a new constitution.
The problem would be to elect someone honest enough
to be our governor general.
I don't like the idea as per now of the Prime Minister deciding for us -
and then both of them having the power to sack each other.

We had an example of an outrageous abuse of power that
Scott Morrison was made a minister of 5 portfolios
in such secrecy that not even his own ministers knew -
let alone the public.
That must have been because the Governor General
was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree?
That is something you'd expect to find in a
banana republic or a 3rd world country.
It's totally unacceptable.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10760 armidale Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #1 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:57pm erm.. QE II didn't elect the GG. He's Horstralian.
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10668 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #2 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:25pm We need a "peoples" President, not a "politicians" President. A President who is allowed to boot politicians up the rear if they get upperty and/or legislate policies that are damaging to the people
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10760 armidale Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #3 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:29pm Dead right. 26,143,831 presidents.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17246 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #4 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:31pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm: That must have been because the Governor General was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree? Nope. There is nothing wrong with having multiple portfolios. Gough Whitlam and Lance Barnard did it. The error was not telling people about it.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10760 armidale Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #5 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:35pm The error was then also the GG not telling...
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Bobby.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #6 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:36pm

lee wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

That must have been because the Governor General
was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree?

Nope. There is nothing wrong with having multiple portfolios. Gough Whitlam and Lance Barnard did it.

The error was not telling people about it.

It was all done in secret maybe even at night.
Apparently it wasn't illegal -
go figure?

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 102273 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #7 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:37pm chimera wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:35pm: The error was then also the GG not telling... What else goes on behind our backs? Under freedom of information can we find out?
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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #8 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us
that we can't cope without an anachronistic, outdated system from
1000 years ago that has privilege by birth and not merit as the core of its belief.
It's saying that we're too stupid to elect our own representatives
and govern ourselves.

It's time to become a republic.
Now - who would we have as the equivalent of our Governor General?
How would we decide?
Would we vote as the Americans do for their president?

We wouldn't accept just any wording for a new constitution.
The problem would be to elect someone honest enough
to be our governor general.
I don't like the idea as per now of the Prime Minister deciding for us -
and then both of them having the power to sack each other.

We had an example of an outrageous abuse of power that
Scott Morrison was made a minister of 5 portfolios
in such secrecy that not even his own ministers knew -
let alone the public.
That must have been because the Governor General
was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree?
That is something you'd expect to find in a
banana republic or a 3rd world country.
It's totally unacceptable.

All it says Bobby, is that no-one has proposed a model that we think is better. Why is the republic movement unable to understand this simple concept? People will not vote for a republic merely because they dislike the monarchy. There has to be something worthwhile for them to vote for, not just against. No amount of this pointless blather can make up for the republic movement's inability to come up with the goods.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #9 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:40pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:37pm: chimera wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:35pm: The error was then also the GG not telling... What else goes on behind our backs? Under freedom of information can we find out?
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Bobby.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #10 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:41pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

All it says Bobby, is that no-one has proposed a model that we think is better. Why is the republic movement unable to understand this simple concept? People will not vote for a republic merely because they dislike the monarchy. There has to be something worthwhile for them to vote for, not just against. No amount of this pointless blather can make up for the republic movement's inability to come up with the goods.

How did the monarchy stop that outrageous abuse of power? -
ScoMo and the GG doing secret deals in the middle of the night.
The monarchy didn't help us at all - it made it possible.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10760 armidale Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #11 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:42pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:37pm: chimera wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:35pm: The error was then also the GG not telling... What else goes on behind our backs? Under freedom of information can we find out? Yes Trumpy knows all the Top Secrets, Kim's love letters and spies in Moscow. Read it on twitter.
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Bobby.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #12 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:45pm

chimera wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

chimera wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:35pm:

The error was then also the GG not telling...

What else goes on behind our backs?
Under freedom of information can we find out?

Yes Trumpy knows all the Top Secrets, Kim's love letters and spies in Moscow. Read it on twitter.

Write a letter to the GG and ask him to give full details
of any other secret deals made in the last 50 years.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #13 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:52pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us
that we can't cope without an anachronistic, outdated system from
1000 years ago that has privilege by birth and not merit as the core of its belief.
It's saying that we're too stupid to elect our own representatives
and govern ourselves.

It's time to become a republic.
Now - who would we have as the equivalent of our Governor General?
How would we decide?
Would we vote as the Americans do for their president?

We wouldn't accept just any wording for a new constitution.
The problem would be to elect someone honest enough
to be our governor general.
I don't like the idea as per now of the Prime Minister deciding for us -
and then both of them having the power to sack each other.

We had an example of an outrageous abuse of power that
Scott Morrison was made a minister of 5 portfolios
in such secrecy that not even his own ministers knew -
let alone the public.
That must have been because the Governor General
was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree?
That is something you'd expect to find in a
banana republic or a 3rd world country.
It's totally unacceptable.

All it says Bobby, is that no-one has proposed a model that we think is better. Why is the republic movement unable to understand this simple concept? People will not vote for a republic merely because they dislike the monarchy. There has to be something worthwhile for them to vote for, not just against. No amount of this pointless blather can make up for the republic movement's inability to come up with the goods.

The Australian Choice Model

The Australian Choice Model will allow every State and Territory Parliament to nominate one candidate for election to be our Head of State. The Federal Parliament will be able to nominate up to three. We will then hold a national election for Australians to decide which candidate should be Head of State - a vote for all of us.

The Australian Choice Model ensures the role of Head of State is ceremonial in nature, with limited powers to safeguard and maintain the constitutional order and resolve political gridlock.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10760 armidale Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #14 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:55pm ( Shhh. Ther's a secret rubber stamp official in Beijing, taking orders from the Lizards, Jews and Rothschilds)
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Question: Do you want royalty banished from our political system?
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Yes 15 (48.4%) No 16 (51.6%) Total votes: 31 « Created by: Bobby. on: Sep 11^th, 2022 at 5:03pm »