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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #60 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 5:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 5:31pm:

chimera wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 5:23pm:

'A Governor-General appointed by the Queen shall be Her Majesty's representative in the Commonwealth, and shall have and may exercise in the Commonwealth during the Queen's pleasure, but subject to this Constitution, such powers and functions of the Queen as Her Majesty may be pleased to assign to him'.

Only the GG has 'power and functions'. The King may wear pink pyjamas and be brain-dead but that has no authority in the Commonwealth.

So, get rid of him.

Simples Wink

We have, in 1901. They let him in to wander about with a half-grin asking people questions.

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Reply #61 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 5:55pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

I really find it hard to answer either YES or NO.
It's really a defaulted Question Poll.

Considering 'Royalty' of Kings & Queens are 'Masters of Ceremony' - not Political (Presidents, Ministers), not Military (Emperors, Empresses).
They are in chief 'Entertainers' and hence why the 'Media' is focused upon them like a Soap Opera of Days of our 'Royal' Lives.
Hence also the Media world of Music/Entertainment in the USA being 'Celebrity' and trying to form their own 'Royal' bloodlines among them.

Throw in the fact that the 'Political' involvement of the Royals has been minimal.
I find it hard to constitute any 'Political' change here justified by the passing of a 'Royal'. Roll Eyes

Sounds like more 'Media/Mafia' shenanigans corrupting Politics to suit its own selfish agenda and narrative.

The 'Republic' they are trying to con us with isn't really a 'Political' one. It's just another poop-job by the Media and its Celebrities who 'think' they know Politics.

Maybe they want to 'usurp' the Aborigines (which they label 'black') with their Republic, from being handed back to them?
Maybe they want a Republic upon some Irish cliche because they can't think of one that would be more 'original' in its Australian and 'Southern' Hemisphere experience?
Maybe they need Australia to become a bigger international version of the Confederate South, so as to re-invigorate a justification of the Democrat North's existence - which is currently capitulating like a Politically Correct Gay/Trans fart?

I'm all for a Republic or 'whatever' in regards to this part of the world - if it is 'needed'.
What I won't stand for is these Media/Mafia Celebrities and their Industry trying to thrust a 'political' entity on our country - just to suit their selfish narrative and 'purses'.

Media: Stealing from Australia, Oppressing S.America and keeping N.America in the dark.
...like
Religion: Having stole from Asia, Oppressed Europe and kept Africa in the dark (continent).

The Media/Mafia (Big Brother) should just F*UCK OFF to Oceania where it belongs.

The Media and it's Republic is NOT THE TRUE WEST of Politics.

They are in chief Entertainers -

yes - that's true -
the public seem to love all the costumes they wear and
the trumpets playing - what a facade of utter nonsense.

Yes Bobby.
You're right.
The British Royals would be well better to follow the mainland European Royals who associate more with something like 'Eurovision' and Sport than Politics and Military these days.
Leave Politics to the Prime Minister in Britain.
Leave the Entertainment to the Royals.

...now you see why the Democrats and their 'celebrity' novelty Presidentials are a corrupt political entity ruled by the whims of the Media.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48824 At my desk.	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #62 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:03pm Quote: The British Royals would be well better to follow the mainland European Royals The French ones, perhaps?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102289 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #63 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:05pm freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:03pm: Quote: The British Royals would be well better to follow the mainland European Royals The French ones, perhaps? We would never chop their heads off - banishment is so much more humane.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11566 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #64 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:05pm freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:03pm: Quote: The British Royals would be well better to follow the mainland European Royals The French ones, perhaps? Well, the French do have a fetish for tearing everything down and dancing in the ashes. What's the score? 3 monarchies and 5 republics in just over 200 years?
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Reply #65 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:08pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

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The British Royals would be well better to follow the mainland European Royals

The French ones, perhaps?

Not really. The French Royals still dabble in the political/military side of things.
Germany forfeited their Political/Military/Religious empowerment via their NAZI last fart.
Now it has returned to its true European character (before Europe was oppressed by Religion from the Middle-East, etc) and does well at Music and Sport to name some.

France will give up the Political/Military/Religious ghost soon one day and also return to a truer European state of being.
Italy will have to do the same, but not until the Mafia & the Vatican gold have their last say.

Most other European Royals seem to see the writing on the wall when it comes to Political/Military/Religious affairs and prefer the more 'Media' interests of Music and Sport for starters.
Why chase a weakness, when you can follow a strength.

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Reply #67 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:14pm

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:08pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

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The British Royals would be well better to follow the mainland European Royals

The French ones, perhaps?

Not really. The French Royals still dabble in the political/military side of things.
Germany forfeited their Political/Military/Religious empowerment via their NAZI last fart.
Now it has returned to its true European character (before Europe was oppressed by Religion from the Middle-East, etc) and does well at Music and Sport to name some.

France will give up the Political/Military/Religious ghost soon one day and also return to a truer European state of being.
Italy will have to do the same, but not until the Mafia & the Vatican gold have their last say.

Most other European Royals seem to see the writing on the wall when it comes to Political/Military/Religious affairs and prefer the more 'Media' interests of Music and Sport for starters.
Why chase a weakness, when you can follow a strength.

That's true. The French Royals would be a bad example for them to follow.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #68 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:23pm

October 1, 2021
For the first time since the Russian Revolution, a member of the tsarist family celebrated his wedding in Russia. Grand Duke Georgi Romanov said yes to the Italian Rebecca Bettarini in St. Petersburg today. Aristocrats from all over Europe traveled to the capital of the former tsarist empire for the wedding ceremony in the mighty St. Isaac’s Cathedral. The republican warlord, Vladimir the Nukes, begged permission to lick their boots.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #69 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:29pm

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:08pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

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The British Royals would be well better to follow the mainland European Royals

The French ones, perhaps?

Not really. The French Royals still dabble in the political/military side of things.
Germany forfeited their Political/Military/Religious empowerment via their NAZI last fart.
Now it has returned to its true European character (before Europe was oppressed by Religion from the Middle-East, etc) and does well at Music and Sport to name some.

France will give up the Political/Military/Religious ghost soon one day and also return to a truer European state of being.
Italy will have to do the same, but not until the Mafia & the Vatican gold have their last say.

Most other European Royals seem to see the writing on the wall when it comes to Political/Military/Religious affairs and prefer the more 'Media' interests of Music and Sport for starters.
Why chase a weakness, when you can follow a strength.

The Hapsburgs are more inclined to meddle in politics where they can.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10767 armidale Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #70 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:37pm However, Gibraltar will have the bull-dog spirit when the Armada appears off the British domain. There are two aircraft carriers, one named for the heroine of 1588.
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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #71 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:40pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us
that we can't cope without an anachronistic, outdated system from
1000 years ago that has privilege by birth and not merit as the core of its belief.
It's saying that we're too stupid to elect our own representatives
and govern ourselves.

It's time to become a republic.
Now - who would we have as the equivalent of our Governor General?
How would we decide?
Would we vote as the Americans do for their president?

We wouldn't accept just any wording for a new constitution.
The problem would be to elect someone honest enough
to be our governor general.
I don't like the idea as per now of the Prime Minister deciding for us -
and then both of them having the power to sack each other.

We had an example of an outrageous abuse of power that
Scott Morrison was made a minister of 5 portfolios
in such secrecy that not even his own ministers knew -
let alone the public.
That must have been because the Governor General
was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree?
That is something you'd expect to find in a
banana republic or a 3rd world country.
It's totally unacceptable.

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To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us

I see this as the worst reason available but the one that everyone rolls out without anything reasoned to support it.

For a start I would say that the exact opposite is true.

I don't see us as a small snivelling people frightened by our own shadow crying about perceptions that nobody really believes or cares about.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #73 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us
that we can't cope without an anachronistic, outdated system from
1000 years ago that has privilege by birth and not merit as the core of its belief.
It's saying that we're too stupid to elect our own representatives
and govern ourselves.

It's time to become a republic.
Now - who would we have as the equivalent of our Governor General?
How would we decide?
Would we vote as the Americans do for their president?

We wouldn't accept just any wording for a new constitution.
The problem would be to elect someone honest enough
to be our governor general.
I don't like the idea as per now of the Prime Minister deciding for us -
and then both of them having the power to sack each other.

We had an example of an outrageous abuse of power that
Scott Morrison was made a minister of 5 portfolios
in such secrecy that not even his own ministers knew -
let alone the public.
That must have been because the Governor General
was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree?
That is something you'd expect to find in a
banana republic or a 3rd world country.
It's totally unacceptable.

Quote:

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us

I see this as the worst reason available but the one that everyone rolls out without anything reasoned to support it.

For a start I would say that the exact opposite is true.

I don't see us as a small snivelling people frightened by our own shadow crying about perceptions that nobody really believes or cares about.

So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11566 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #74 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:49pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm: So you believe in privilege by birth not merit? It's the harsh reality of human existence that privilege by birth has always been with us, and always will. Don't you feel privileged to have been born in a wealthy, stable nation?
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Question: Do you want royalty banished from our political system?
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Yes 15 (48.4%) No 16 (51.6%) Total votes: 31 « Created by: Bobby. on: Sep 11^th, 2022 at 5:03pm »