Australian Politics Forum - Time for a republic.

chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10760 armidale Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #75 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:52pm 'The Queen tributes: Joe Biden orders all US flags to be at half-mast until funeral of Elizabeth II. The US President says Elizabeth II was a “stateswoman of unmatched dignity” who “deepened the bedrock alliance” between the USA and Britain'. It almost removes the war of 1776 ...all US flags...
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Reply #76 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?

It's the harsh reality of human existence that privilege by birth has always been with us, and always will.

Don't you feel privileged to have been born in a wealthy, stable nation?

But Merit is Superior 'culturally'.
And is only suppressed by a dictatorship of 'race' (bloodline).

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #77 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 3:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:52pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

To keep the royals is the same as saying that there's something wrong with us
that we can't cope without an anachronistic, outdated system from
1000 years ago that has privilege by birth and not merit as the core of its belief.
It's saying that we're too stupid to elect our own representatives
and govern ourselves.

It's time to become a republic.
Now - who would we have as the equivalent of our Governor General?
How would we decide?
Would we vote as the Americans do for their president?

We wouldn't accept just any wording for a new constitution.
The problem would be to elect someone honest enough
to be our governor general.
I don't like the idea as per now of the Prime Minister deciding for us -
and then both of them having the power to sack each other.

We had an example of an outrageous abuse of power that
Scott Morrison was made a minister of 5 portfolios
in such secrecy that not even his own ministers knew -
let alone the public.
That must have been because the Governor General
was in fear of losing his job if he didn't agree?
That is something you'd expect to find in a
banana republic or a 3rd world country.
It's totally unacceptable.

All it says Bobby, is that no-one has proposed a model that we think is better. Why is the republic movement unable to understand this simple concept? People will not vote for a republic merely because they dislike the monarchy. There has to be something worthwhile for them to vote for, not just against. No amount of this pointless blather can make up for the republic movement's inability to come up with the goods.

The Australian Choice Model

The Australian Choice Model will allow every State and Territory Parliament to nominate one candidate for election to be our Head of State. The Federal Parliament will be able to nominate up to three. We will then hold a national election for Australians to decide which candidate should be Head of State - a vote for all of us.

The Australian Choice Model ensures the role of Head of State is ceremonial in nature, with limited powers to safeguard and maintain the constitutional order and resolve political gridlock.

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role of Head of State is ceremonial in nature

So the aim is for a claytons republic.

Our current HOS is ceremonial in nature.

And, the only way to become Australia's Head of State is to be born into a certain family (on the other side of the planet) and to be a certain religion.

You cannot be Australia's HOS unless you are Protestant Anglican.

I don't know how any reasonable person can find that acceptable.

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Our current HOS is ceremonial in nature.

Yes I watched in 1975 where the GG had a few too many scotches and done a throw out the government ceremony.

It was a hoot.

Where I can accept the foibles, intrici's and inefficiencies of a 250 odd year old but very stable and reliable system I feel it is very different to creating a brand spanking new system designed to be largely useless very expensive and possibly dangerous with zero benefit or a articulate reason / need to do it.

I would pass on that one thanks.

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Reply #78 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:02pm

I can't help but think that this Republic that the Media celebrities want to push on Australia is something short of being 'authentically Western' in the political sense.
We're already seeing the 'North' Democrats of America lacking any true Western (Political) character with their Media narratives.

I would even be brave enough to say that the Republic they're trying to sell us is a Lemon Republic, especially when they have absolutely no idea how it should be, beyond some replication (copycat) of a northern hemisphere 'Irish cliche'. Roll Eyes

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Reply #79 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?

It's the harsh reality of human existence that privilege by birth has always been with us, and always will.

Don't you feel privileged to have been born in a wealthy, stable nation?

But those royals weren't even born here.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10760 armidale Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #80 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:03pm If Charles was a tree-hugger and spammed the pollies with his opinions, he knows he has to shut up now. Same with GG. The superior merit of culture means nothing. Superiority is everything to DJ Trump, life president.
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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #81 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:04pm

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?

It's the harsh reality of human existence that privilege by birth has always been with us, and always will.

Don't you feel privileged to have been born in a wealthy, stable nation?

But Merit is Superior 'culturally'.
And is only suppressed by a dictatorship of 'race' (bloodline).

Its payoff can be denied by a multitude of factors.

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Re: Time for a republic.
Reply #82 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?

It's the harsh reality of human existence that privilege by birth has always been with us, and always will.

Don't you feel privileged to have been born in a wealthy, stable nation?

But those royals weren't even born here.

Neither were some of the powerful sons and daughters of the mega-rich, yet undoubtedly, here they are.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44070 Gender:	Re: Time for a republic. Reply #83 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:09pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm: So you believe in privilege by birth not merit? I don't think you would have been able to do what QEII has done for 70 years. You are lucky - and privileged - for having next to no duty, certainly nothing even remotely approaching hers.
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Reply #84 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:12pm

When you are given a position of privilege at the top of the pyramid - you are alone.
The people at the bottom of the pyramid - breed.

The Pharaohs knew this to be true, but bent the rules a bit to breed incestingly.
Throughout history, bloodlines at the top of the pyramids usually are the weakest factor of Power, so much so - that if they are not 'inbred' (for lack of genetic variation 'up at the top'), then its blood killing kin blood for power.

The Dalai Lama is a popularly known 'merit' position of privilege - though I'm sure 'blood' comes into it as I can't see them choosing a Dalai Lama from outside the Tibetan Haplo-group anytime in the future.

When it comes to that lonely position at the very top of 'anything' - blood is the weakest factor and the flaw of such an existence. It is in essence, the ultimate racism.

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Reply #85 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:17pm

Frank wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?

I don't think you would have been able to do what QEII has done for 70 years.

You are lucky - and privileged - for having next to no duty, certainly nothing even remotely approaching hers.

Most of her duty was about - as an example -
cutting a ribbon at a bridge and saying -
I declare this bridge open.

Big deal - anyone could do that.
I'd do it for half the price. Grin

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Reply #86 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:17pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

So you believe in privilege by birth not merit?

I don't think you would have been able to do what QEII has done for 70 years.

You are lucky - and privileged - for having next to no duty, certainly nothing even remotely approaching hers.

Most of her duty was about - as an example -
cutting a ribbon at a bridge and saying -
I declare this bridge open.

Big deal - anyone could do that.
I'd do it for half the price. Grin

You'll need a Master of Ceremony certificate first Bobby.
Then there is the corrupt aspect of wether you're part of the 'family race' to start with. Wink

You could be the best in the world.
But this primitive world still caters to the racism of 'bloodline' when it comes to 'Power' (which race should not be a factor).

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #87 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:20pm

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

The Dalai Lama is a popularly known 'merit' position of privilege - though I'm sure 'blood' comes into it as I can't see them choosing a Dalai Lama from outside the Tibetan Haplo-group anytime in the future.

What do you mean?

The Dalai Lama is chosen after mystical tests to determine if the child is a rebirthed reincarnation of the last Dalai Lama and a direct line from Avalokiteshvara - the bodhisattva of compassion.

Tibetan Buddhism, when it comes to the Dalai Lama, takes right by birth way further and into the metaphysical realm.

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Reply #88 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:25pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

The Dalai Lama is a popularly known 'merit' position of privilege - though I'm sure 'blood' comes into it as I can't see them choosing a Dalai Lama from outside the Tibetan Haplo-group anytime in the future.

What do you mean?

The Dalai Lama is chosen after mystical tests to determine if the child is a rebirthed reincarnation of the last Dalai Lama and a direct line from Avalokiteshvara - the bodhisattva of compassion.

Tibetan Buddhism, when it comes to the Dalai Lama, takes right by birth way further and into the metaphysical realm.

Very true.
They choose the 'child' by those aspects.
Maybe throw some coloured powder into the fire to create a rainbow of colours to clinch the final contestant.
Other than that - they determine the child's 'potential' to be able to fulfill that role with dedication.
I'm sure they wouldn't choose some kid from the Housos with ADHD aspects looking likely the outcome after a few years.
It's close, the Dalai Lama 'lottery', but no cigar.

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Reply #89 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:29pm

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

The Dalai Lama is a popularly known 'merit' position of privilege - though I'm sure 'blood' comes into it as I can't see them choosing a Dalai Lama from outside the Tibetan Haplo-group anytime in the future.

What do you mean?

The Dalai Lama is chosen after mystical tests to determine if the child is a rebirthed reincarnation of the last Dalai Lama and a direct line from Avalokiteshvara - the bodhisattva of compassion.

Tibetan Buddhism, when it comes to the Dalai Lama, takes right by birth way further and into the metaphysical realm.

Very true.
They choose the 'child' by those aspects.
Maybe throw some coloured powder into the fire to create a rainbow of colours to clinch the final contestant.
Other than that - they determine the child's 'potential' to be able to fulfill that role with dedication.
I'm sure they wouldn't choose some kid from the Housos with ADHD aspects looking likely the outcome after a few years.
It's close, the Dalai Lama 'lottery', but no cigar.

How do you determine a child's 'potential' when it's only 3 years old?

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