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Re: Australia Day
Reply #15 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:30pm

issuevoter wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 4:59pm:

I'm in favour of shifting the date, but it will not appease those who are offended by the 26th. They'll just whinge about something else.

why would changing the date stop them complaining about other issues they might have?

If you were complaining about a faulty light switch and a leaking roof, does my fixing the light switch mean you stop complaining about the leaky roof? Roll Eyes

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #16 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:52pm

https://www.australiaday.org.au/
'This is the Story of Australia - the story of an extraordinary nation. The Story begins 60,000 years ago'.

The Australia Day Committee is a bit illogical. Aboriginal people weren't preparing to be in Australia and were forced to belong by the reality of 1788. The British had no connection with the previous 60,000 years. A person's life can't begin in the years before they are born. I'd like to see a Welcome to country ceremony where the person says "Terribly sorry and that, but sorry, you can't come here. Go away" and all the crowd turn around and leave.

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Re: Australia Day
Reply #17 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:42pm

issuevoter wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 4:59pm:

I'm in favour of shifting the date, ...

So am I

The TRUEST date to celebrate Australia Day is blatantly OBVIOUS

Australia became a nation on 1 January 1901 when 6 British colonies -
New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the Commonwealth of Australia.

This process is known as

Federation

.

The

First Commonwealth Parliament

was opened by the Duke of York,
in the Exhibition Building, Melbourne, on

9 May, 1901

Australia Day

May 9th

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11824 Armidale Gender:	Re: Australia Day Reply #18 - Sep 14^th, 2022 at 8:47pm Could work. An Australian celebration to honour the work of politicians. Maybe games of political footballs. Re-enactments of party room challenges to a dud PM with stabs in the back. Should go OK
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Re: Australia Day
Reply #19 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 12:17am

chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 7:52pm:

https://www.australiaday.org.au/
'This is the Story of Australia - the story of an extraordinary nation. The Story begins 60,000 years ago'.

The Australia Day Committee is a bit illogical. Aboriginal people weren't preparing to be in Australia and were forced to belong by the reality of 1788. The British had no connection with the previous 60,000 years. A person's life can't begin in the years before they are born. I'd like to see a Welcome to country ceremony where the person says "Terribly sorry and that, but sorry, you can't come here. Go away" and all the crowd turn around and leave.

Very nice... ye-ush, very nice... thing is - that was 234 years ago and this is a different era - they are no longer the top dog on the land, and are a minority.

Time to get with it or migrate to somewhere else.

Thing is - given the modern nation in which we live and the minority status of your Welcome Stranger - more likely he'd be shown the door....

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Re: Australia Day
Reply #20 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 12:24am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 6:44pm:

Boris wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 4:40pm:

Australia Day does not celebrate the arrival of the first fleet ...

On January 20th, 1788, the last of the eleven ships of the First Fleet arrived at Botany Bay. Captain Arthur Phillip's search for a more suitable site led him to Port Jackson.

The rest of the fleet sailed into Sydney Harbour on 26 January.

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/magazine/onthisday/20-january-1788#:~:te...

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Well - there you have it - the moment a reasonable anchorage was found was the time to put down roots..... 26th January it is then....

Not important - it's the day of declaration that counts..... now the majority can carry on, right?

We should have Welcome ceremonies for those Indigenous who have come in to the fold.... the rest can go on throwing spears at one another and shooting arrows into one another .... all peaceful and lovey-dovey and sharing around the campfire along the trade routes between the agriculture and the aquaculture like it was pre-1788, right? Cool

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Re: Australia Day
Reply #21 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 1:17am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 12:17am:

- more likely he'd be shown the door....

Yup, which makes the welcome into something illogical. It's 'welcome us or else, mate'. And if Australia began 60,000 years ago, then we welcome ourselves here which has to be loony. And Italians who settle here had history back then so Italy is part of the Australian nation. Nuts.

And another thing..people left Africa 70,000 years ago and Australia has the oldest culture in the world. But the Africans logically are from the older, original population in Africa. The San Bushmen are an example of continuous African culture, older than Aboriginals. The authorities refuse to discuss the logic. And it's absolutely impossible to know what a culture may have been at 5000, 10000 or 30000 years ago. The 250 Aboriginal languages logically can't be the 1 language of 65000 years ago when the first people arrived in Australia.

Unless they each spoke 250 languages. Yes, make sense.

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Reply #22 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:22am

How do you welcome yourself here when you were born here - always was Grappler country, always will be.... same as several generations before ... back to the 1850's....

You can stick your welcome to country....it's my country....

Originally there were over 1000 languages and tribal dialects.... maximum herd size maybe 200-300 and even then not all living in the same place.... Pascoe fairy stories regardless..... imagine the sanitation problems of 300 gathered around the fishing hole ......... Huh

Do any of those fabled histories even cover such things? The First Fleet had the locals outnumbered from the start.... Grin

Australian Wars of Resistance.... what a load of bullshit.....

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11824 Armidale Gender:	Re: Australia Day Reply #23 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:26am Technically, no-one has won the battle to own the place. It's a cease-fire and the two try to muck along together. The welcome is illogical but serves a purpose of being civil. Although Yanks had War that was Civil.. (and numerous Aboriginal people were shot for the very reason that they were resisting by force).
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Re: Australia Day
Reply #24 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:32am

chimera wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:26am:

Technically, no-one has won the battle to own the place. It's a cease-fire and the two try to muck along together. The welcome is illogical but serves a purpose of being civil. Although Yanks had War that was Civil..

(and numerous Aboriginal people were shot for the very reason that they were resisting by force).

Them was depredations, not resistance..... I posted a list of massacres and the vast majority show they were retaliatory... here is a piccie of Sydney Town - you can clearly see the cheers have all been run off and dispossessed (yardle, yardle):-

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11824 Armidale Gender:	Re: Australia Day Reply #25 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:42am 'Look Bill there are depredators coming'. 'OK load up'. 'I've been depredated'. 'By whom? A perp?' 'Yes the perp depredated me'. Pow pow. 'Now he's undepredating'. 'Excellent undepredatisation'. 'Thanks mate'.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85099 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Australia Day Reply #26 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:03pm chimera wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 8:42am: 'Look Bill there are depredators coming'. 'OK load up'. 'I've been depredated'. 'By whom? A perp?' 'Yes the perp depredated me'. Pow pow. 'Now he's undepredating'. 'Excellent undepredatisation'. 'Thanks mate'. Keep working on it................... NEXT.....
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59054 Here Gender:	Re: Australia Day Reply #27 - Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:43pm I Think we should celebrate it but Do not care much which day is chosen.
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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 6002 Victoria Gender:	Re: Australia Day Reply #28 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 1:46am 1st of January makes sense, but then all the unions will be screaming that they've lost a public holiday, being as it's already a holiday for New Year's Day.
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Re: Australia Day
Reply #29 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 2:15am

There is no argument - January 26th is Australia Day..... the commemoration of the time this continent stopped being a totally disintegrated and non-contiguous arena for wandering groups of stone aged people and became a nation ...

There was NO Australia before the declaration that it was......

Thank you all for coming.... you may love it or leave it - it is what it is...... and nothing you demand or do will change that ......

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