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Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression.
Reply #195 - Nov 17^th, 2022 at 2:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 9:49am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2022 at 4:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2022 at 12:54pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

Brilliant FD.

Let me guess - if someone asks you how you know a particular woman is being coerced to wear the hijab - your answer is "because she is being coerced" - right? FD logic at its finest.

Do you think the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

Do you think it matters whether they are coerced Gandalf, or this this just a rhetorical question?

Of course it matters FD - coercion is bad.

The question is, how are you going to find out?

Brace yourself Gandalf. This might be a difficult concept for a Muslim.

Ask them.

How many have you asked? Roll Eyes

I still can't work out if FD is so delusional that he seriously thinks its justifiable to walk up to a woman in the street, and ask (presumably in genuine concern for their well-being) if they are being oppressed - on no other evidence other than the fact that they are wearing a hijab, or...

if he simply hasn't thought this through properly.

lets pretend for a half second that his intentions are genuine and he is asking out of concern for the woman, I want to know how many he has asked.

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Reply #196 - Nov 17^th, 2022 at 3:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 9:49am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2022 at 4:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2022 at 12:54pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

Brilliant FD.

Let me guess - if someone asks you how you know a particular woman is being coerced to wear the hijab - your answer is "because she is being coerced" - right? FD logic at its finest.

Do you think the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

Do you think it matters whether they are coerced Gandalf, or this this just a rhetorical question?

Of course it matters FD - coercion is bad.

The question is, how are you going to find out?

Brace yourself Gandalf. This might be a difficult concept for a Muslim.

Ask them.

How many have you asked? Roll Eyes

I still can't work out if FD is so delusional that he seriously thinks its justifiable to walk up to a woman in the street, and ask (presumably in genuine concern for their well-being) if they are being oppressed - on no other evidence other than the fact that they are wearing a hijab, or...

Why not?? Vox pop. Happens all the time. Or is the hijab some sort of cone of silence? "Do not approach, do not address"?

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Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression.
Reply #199 - Nov 20^th, 2022 at 10:10am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 2:45pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2022 at 4:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2022 at 12:54pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

Brilliant FD.

Let me guess - if someone asks you how you know a particular woman is being coerced to wear the hijab - your answer is "because she is being coerced" - right? FD logic at its finest.

Do you think the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

Do you think it matters whether they are coerced Gandalf, or this this just a rhetorical question?

Of course it matters FD - coercion is bad.

The question is, how are you going to find out?

Brace yourself Gandalf. This might be a difficult concept for a Muslim.

Ask them.

Presumably you think the mere sight of a woman in a hijab alone is sufficient grounds to "just ask them" if they are being oppressed?

Thats the key question (just asked in yet another different way) that you continually refuse to answer FD. If it is so, then that would be the most utterly ridiculous thing I've heard.

Are you suggesting we are not allowed to ask Muslim women if they are oppressed? Do we need their husband's permission first?

I guess I did see it coming, but I would still like to here you explain why asking women is such a difficult concept for you. Is it just that you are concerned about what their answer might be?

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Reply #200 - Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 10:14am

FD you can ask them whatever you like.

The question, which once again you glossed over, is do you think its appropriate to walk up to any random woman on the street who happens to be wearing a hijab and ask them if they are being oppressed - on no other suspicion other than the fact that they are wearing a hijab?

And as John already asked you - how many times have you yourself done that - if you really consider it a valid concern to have for their welfare?

freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 10:10am:

I would still like to here you explain why asking women is such a difficult concept for you. Is it just that you are concerned about what their answer might be?

Would I find it "difficult" and inappropriate to do what I just described above?

Absolutely, 100% yes. Would I find it deeply disturbing and creepy? Hell yes. And I would hope you would agree. And your continued evading of this question suggests to me that you do agree.

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Reply #201 - Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 4:29pm

freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 10:10am:

Are you suggesting we are not allowed to ask Muslim women if they are oppressed? Do we need their husband's permission first?

How many have you asked FD?

And while we're at it, were you as concerned when you said that these hijab wearing women should be raped with a cactus?

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Reply #202 - Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 6:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 10:14am:

FD you can ask them whatever you like.

The question, which once again you glossed over, is do you think its appropriate to walk up to any random woman on the street who happens to be wearing a hijab and ask them if they are being oppressed - on no other suspicion other than the fact that they are wearing a hijab?

Why not?

Can you go up to a member of the public and ask him what he thinks of Israel's occupation of the West Bank?
Or about climate change? Nudity in public? Covid lockdowns?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47477 Gender:	Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression. Reply #203 - Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 6:44pm https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1594957702815440896
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49364 At my desk.	Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression. Reply #204 - Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 7:17am Quote: FD you can ask them whatever you like. Thanks Gandalf. Now would you like to answer your own question - how do you think we should find out if a woman is being forced to wear a burqa against her will?
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Reply #205 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:19am

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 7:17am:

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FD you can ask them whatever you like.

Thanks Gandalf. Now would you like to answer your own question - how do you think we should find out if a woman is being forced to wear a burqa against her will?

Shifting the goal posts already FD. No one mentioned the burqa except you, so why do you pretend this is my question, or anything to do with my argument?

My argument so far has been specific to the hijab. It is obviously far less prohibitive or instrusive for women to wear that the burqa, and should not be considered as de facto, worn because of oppression. Why you would, and why you would consider it somehow appropriate to walk up to a random hijabi and "simply ask her" if she is being forced to wear it - is a question you continue to tapdance away from.

By changing the topic to the burqa, are you now conceding that randomly vox-popping a hijabi in the street if they are being oppressed is inappropriate and creepy?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #206 - Nov 26^th, 2022 at 9:50am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:19am:

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 7:17am:

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FD you can ask them whatever you like.

Thanks Gandalf. Now would you like to answer your own question - how do you think we should find out if a woman is being forced to wear a burqa against her will?

Shifting the goal posts already FD. No one mentioned the burqa except you, so why do you pretend this is my question, or anything to do with my argument?

My argument so far has been specific to the hijab. It is obviously far less prohibitive or instrusive for women to wear that the burqa, and should not be considered as de facto, worn because of oppression. Why you would, and why you would consider it somehow appropriate to walk up to a random hijabi and "simply ask her" if she is being forced to wear it - is a question you continue to tapdance away from.

By changing the topic to the burqa, are you now conceding that randomly vox-popping a hijabi in the street if they are being oppressed is inappropriate and creepy?

Relax Gandalf. Let's make it about the hijab. How would you propose we find out if women are being forced to wear it?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75019 Gender:	Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression. Reply #207 - Nov 26^th, 2022 at 4:03pm We can do what you do and just pretend that's why they wear it fd. Much easier for you to keep making it up as you go if you do it that way.
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Reply #208 - Nov 26^th, 2022 at 5:29pm

issuevoter wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 8:19am:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63661310

This is the government that gandalf supports and defends, and claims they have a "right" to build nuclear weapons. Why? Because they are Muzlums.

Sounds like some members of the Tory party in Canberra. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #209 - Nov 26^th, 2022 at 10:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:19am:

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 7:17am:

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FD you can ask them whatever you like.

Thanks Gandalf. Now would you like to answer your own question - how do you think we should find out if a woman is being forced to wear a burqa against her will?

Shifting the goal posts already FD. No one mentioned the burqa except you, so why do you pretend this is my question, or anything to do with my argument?

My argument so far has been specific to the hijab. It is obviously far less prohibitive or instrusive for women to wear that the burqa, and should not be considered as de facto, worn because of oppression. Why you would, and why you would consider it somehow appropriate to walk up to a random hijabi and "simply ask her" if she is being forced to wear it - is a question you continue to tapdance away from.

By changing the topic to the burqa, are you now conceding that randomly vox-popping a hijabi in the street if they are being oppressed is inappropriate and creepy?

Why aren't you wearing a hijab? Why are you showing your hair?

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