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Reply #240 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:24pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29th, 2022 at 9:52am:
Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 3:38pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:51pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 11:56am:
[quote]You may have missed my earlier question: why aren't you wearing a hijab? Why are you showing your hair for all to see?


I can't even make sense of that. What possible [non] point could you be making?


If the hijab is a matter of 'not drawing attention to hidden ornaments' (Koran, 24:30) then Muslim men should also cover their hair. Why does female hair have such powerful erotic effect on Muslim men but not on Muslim women? If it is good for the goose it should be good for the gander.  Or is there some significant value differentiation in Islam between men and women that we need to know about?  Roll Eyes  Like superior/inferior doctrines that do not hold outside Islam but Muslims stick to, even outside Muslim countries,  to demonstrate their doctrinaire alertness from and even opposition to the cultures around them?
(Of course there is, and that's at the heart of the matter. )


And if it's no biggie whether Muslimas wear a hijab or not, why wear it in countries where it is not the custom if not to demonstrate that it IS a biggie and a good shorthand signifier of hostility to the surrounding culture.

The hijab in the West is exactly the same as refusing to cover one's hair when entering a mosque in Muslim countries.
The only difference is that the West tolerates its own repudiation and Islam and Muslims don't.

As with everything else, Muslims exploit Western tolerance without ever, in any way, reciprocating it. And that's because they do not think for a moment that they are dealing with equals but with inferiors.


What can I say? I agree, muslim countries are dicks towards non-muslims. Even some muslim communities in the west are arrogant and entitled - and they shouldn't be. But so what? I still don't get how that justifies demonizing individual women for wearing a piece of clothing.

'Demonise'??

Pointing out the anachronism of the hijab everywhere and its added hypocrisy as a flag of disrespect and repudiation of the host culture and its people in Western countries is not 'demonisation'. Don't always try to be the frikken victim just because you are Muslim. You are  not a victim of anything except Islamic doctrines.

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Reply #241 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:01pm:
burkas?


Thats the second time you've done that. I'm beginning to think its deliberate.
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Reply #242 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:37pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29th, 2022 at 9:52am:
Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 3:38pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:51pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 11:56am:
[quote]You may have missed my earlier question: why aren't you wearing a hijab? Why are you showing your hair for all to see?


I can't even make sense of that. What possible [non] point could you be making?


If the hijab is a matter of 'not drawing attention to hidden ornaments' (Koran, 24:30) then Muslim men should also cover their hair. Why does female hair have such powerful erotic effect on Muslim men but not on Muslim women? If it is good for the goose it should be good for the gander.  Or is there some significant value differentiation in Islam between men and women that we need to know about?  Roll Eyes  Like superior/inferior doctrines that do not hold outside Islam but Muslims stick to, even outside Muslim countries,  to demonstrate their doctrinaire alertness from and even opposition to the cultures around them?
(Of course there is, and that's at the heart of the matter. )


And if it's no biggie whether Muslimas wear a hijab or not, why wear it in countries where it is not the custom if not to demonstrate that it IS a biggie and a good shorthand signifier of hostility to the surrounding culture.

The hijab in the West is exactly the same as refusing to cover one's hair when entering a mosque in Muslim countries.
The only difference is that the West tolerates its own repudiation and Islam and Muslims don't.

As with everything else, Muslims exploit Western tolerance without ever, in any way, reciprocating it. And that's because they do not think for a moment that they are dealing with equals but with inferiors.


What can I say? I agree, muslim countries are dicks towards non-muslims. Even some muslim communities in the west are arrogant and entitled - and they shouldn't be. But so what? I still don't get how that justifies demonizing individual women for wearing a piece of clothing.

'Demonise'??

Pointing out the anachronism of the hijab everywhere and its added hypocrisy as a flag of disrespect and repudiation of the host culture and its people in Western countries is not 'demonisation'. Don't always try to be the frikken victim just because you are Muslim. You are  not a victim of anything except Islamic doctrines.


Its quite simple Frank, so don't be disingenuous about this. In cases where you agree women have agency to wear the hijab, you ascribe entirely sinister motives for it.

Not once have you ever acknowledged that a woman wearing a hijab with agency might have something other than sinister political motives in mind. Not once. That is demonizing them - plain and simple.
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Reply #243 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 9:30pm
 
What is that motivation?

Why don't you ever spell it out?

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Reply #244 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 6:20am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:28pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:01pm:
burkas?


Thats the second time you've done that. I'm beginning to think its deliberate.


Would it make any difference which item of clothing we are talking about?
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Reply #245 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 9:07am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 6:20am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:28pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:01pm:
burkas?


Thats the second time you've done that. I'm beginning to think its deliberate.


Would it make any difference which item of clothing we are talking about?


Only by about a million miles - as already explained to you the last time you tried this "slippery muslim" goal-shifting trick.
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Reply #246 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 11:34am
 
This idea that some women wear the Hijab willingly is obfuscation, a typical attempt to avoid the fact that societies where the hijab is common, have been male dominated, superstitious and without public education other than religious doctrine, since God was a boy. Wearing the Hijab in Western countries is from habit, indoctrination, and peer pressure, except for the small number of Western women who, like all orientalists, think it gives them some missing and  possibly interesting part of their personality. Somewhat like getting a tattoo of spurious Asian meaning.
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Reply #247 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 8:12am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 9:07am:
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 6:20am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:28pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:01pm:
burkas?


Thats the second time you've done that. I'm beginning to think its deliberate.


Would it make any difference which item of clothing we are talking about?


Only by about a million miles - as already explained to you the last time you tried this "slippery muslim" goal-shifting trick.


Would you mind explaining the difference? Why should the reasoning and logic change depending on whether you personally approve of a particular item of clothing?
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Reply #248 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 11:52am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 6:20am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:28pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 1:01pm:
burkas?


Thats the second time you've done that. I'm beginning to think its deliberate.


Would it make any difference which item of clothing we are talking about?



Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

if it makes no difference why change it from your original comment?
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Reply #249 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 11:56am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 9:30pm:
What is that motivation?

Why don't you ever spell it out?



Unlike you, I actually did ask an aussie woman wearing a hijab sitting next to me on a long plane ride why she wore a hijab, her answer, and I quote 'I like wearing it'. 

Ohh, and she wasn't the only woman I've spoken to over the years to give me that reply

I'll bet that blows your little nazi mind out of the water  ....... that some women might actually want to wear one Cheesy
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Reply #250 - Dec 4th, 2022 at 10:54am
 
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Reply #251 - Dec 4th, 2022 at 10:56am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 11:56am:
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 9:30pm:
What is that motivation?

Why don't you ever spell it out?



Unlike you, I actually did ask an aussie woman wearing a hijab sitting next to me on a long plane ride why she wore a hijab, her answer, and I quote 'I like wearing it'. 

Ohh, and she wasn't the only woman I've spoken to over the years to give me that reply

I'll bet that blows your little nazi mind out of the water  ....... that some women might actually want to wear one Cheesy


Yeah, the ones I spoke to on long plane rides said it was the bearded numpties and their mothras who made them do it.
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Reply #252 - Dec 4th, 2022 at 11:36am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 11:56am:
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 9:30pm:
What is that motivation?

Why don't you ever spell it out?



Unlike you, I actually did ask an aussie woman wearing a hijab sitting next to me on a long plane ride why she wore a hijab, her answer, and I quote 'I like wearing it'. 

Ohh, and she wasn't the only woman I've spoken to over the years to give me that reply

I'll bet that blows your little nazi mind out of the water  ....... that some women might actually want to wear one Cheesy


How dare you. Did you get her husband's permission first?
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Reply #253 - Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 10:56am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 11:56am:
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 9:30pm:
What is that motivation?

Why don't you ever spell it out?



Unlike you, I actually did ask an aussie woman wearing a hijab sitting next to me on a long plane ride why she wore a hijab, her answer, and I quote 'I like wearing it'. 

Ohh, and she wasn't the only woman I've spoken to over the years to give me that reply

I'll bet that blows your little nazi mind out of the water  ....... that some women might actually want to wear one Cheesy


Yeah, the ones I spoke to on long plane rides said it was the bearded numpties and their mothras who made them do it.


Crap, if bearded numpties were making them wear a hijab they certainly wouldn't be allowing them to talk to an infidel like you.

If you're going to lie you need to do better
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Reply #254 - Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 11:36am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 11:56am:
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 9:30pm:
What is that motivation?

Why don't you ever spell it out?



Unlike you, I actually did ask an aussie woman wearing a hijab sitting next to me on a long plane ride why she wore a hijab, her answer, and I quote 'I like wearing it'. 

Ohh, and she wasn't the only woman I've spoken to over the years to give me that reply

I'll bet that blows your little nazi mind out of the water  ....... that some women might actually want to wear one Cheesy


How dare you. Did you get her husband's permission first?



Her husband wasn't like you
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