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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #105 - Oct 10^th, 2022 at 2:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

but now they want back? Why do they want to come back? What changed?

Did you ever consider maybe, just maybe now they are free from the yoke of their brute husbands, and free from their ISIS overlords - only now they are free to choose where to live - and they choose their western homelands?

No of course you didn't.

Bollocks. Eyewash. They didn't travel with their husbands. Many travelled independently and then got married there.

And if they married here - you are saying Muslim men here are brutes oppressing their wives? And their wider Muslim communities allow and tolerate it?

Of course you are saying exactly that.

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Reply #106 - Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am

John Smith wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 9:31pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 8:50pm:

Can you explain why politicians from both sides, national security, and the women themselves support monitoring, if there is no significant threat?

because they're politicians trying to win the vote of islamaphobes like you

Do you think the women involved are also trying to win votes? What about the national security apparatus? How grand is this conspiracy you feel compelled to invoke in order to avoid acknowledging that people who join a foreign enemy terrorist organisation might in fact pose a threat, while also insisting it is nothing to do with Islam, which you are not defending?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 9:57am:

We are talking about the wives and children of ISIS fighters - not the ISIS fighters themselves.

In any other context the Islamophobes would gleefully wax lyrical about how these same poor women are forced to do whatever their men-folk tell them to - wear the hijab, don't work, forced marriage etc. Now when it comes to actually helping these women, they're all "oh, they brought it upon themselves" - even though it would be entirely consistent with their stereotypical narrative to argue that they were forced to travel to Syria by their husbands.

Which narrative are you going with Gandalf?

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do you include the babies and toddlers that were born in refugee camps in that broad-stroke Frank?

Babies born in a foreign enemy country to foreign parents who are enemies of this country. There are millions to choose from Gandalf. Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

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We owe them a duty of care. The government says they will only follow security advise. And if the security advise says there is a way of repatriating them without increasing the threat, then, really, what besides sheer vindictiveness could be the objection?

Time for some common sense Gandalf. Think for yourself. Is there a way to repatriate members of IS without increasing the threat?

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #108 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility.

One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either.

Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us.

We simply can't go around declaring that Australian citizens that are problematic for us are no longer our problem - and that they need to be someone else's problem. It just doesn't work that way.

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Time for some common sense Gandalf. Think for yourself. Is there a way to repatriate members of IS without increasing the threat?

Common sense tells me I need to be well versed in all the facts to make such a judgement - which I am not. Neither, it turns out, are you.

Claiming with certainty that the threat level can only be increased with the repatriation of these people, when we have little idea of the actual facts surrounding these people - is nothing but an exercise in bigotry.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #109 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility.

One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either.

Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us.
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Complete bollocks, on stilts.

We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to.

Tha Milat analogy is too stupid and/or shamelessly dishonest.

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #110 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:19pm

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility.

One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either.

Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us.
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Complete bollocks, on stilts.

We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to.

Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren. They and their children are citizens. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #111 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility.

One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either.

Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us.
.

Complete bollocks, on stilts.

We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to.

Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren. They and their children are citizens. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing.
They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went.
Yet they went.

No dumping.

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #112 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 5:15pm

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility.

One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either.

Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us.
.

Complete bollocks, on stilts.

We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to.

Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren. They and their children are citizens. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing.
They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went.
Yet they went.

No dumping.

You appear only too willing to relinquish you're nation's responsibilities, Soren. Would you be so willing if we suddenly declare all Danes persona non grata? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #113 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 7:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 5:15pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility.

One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either.

Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us.
.

Complete bollocks, on stilts.

We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to.

Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren. They and their children are citizens. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing.
They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went.
Yet they went.

No dumping.

You appear only too willing to relinquish you're nation's responsibilities, Soren. Would you be so willing if we suddenly declare all Danes persona non grata? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing.
They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went.
Yet they went.

THEY relinquished their responsibilities as citizens by disobeying Australian laws. They went to obey the laws of entities openly hostile to Australia.

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #114 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 7:48pm

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 7:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 5:15pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility.

One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either.

Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us.
.

Complete bollocks, on stilts.

We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to.

Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren. They and their children are citizens. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing.
They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went.
Yet they went.

No dumping.

You appear only too willing to relinquish you're nation's responsibilities, Soren. Would you be so willing if we suddenly declare all Danes persona non grata? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing.
They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went.
Yet they went.

THEY relinquished their responsibilities as citizens by disobeying Australian laws. They went to obey the laws of entities openly hostile to Australia.

Doesn't work that way, Soren. A non sequitur from you, as usual. You appear only too willing to relinquish you're nation's responsibilities, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #115 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 7:57pm

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility.

One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either.

Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us.
.

Complete bollocks, on stilts.

We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to.

Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren. They and their children are citizens. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We have absolutely nothing to do with their being there. Nothing.

They were told not to go. They were told it might be a criminal offence if they went.

Yet they went.

No dumping.

Yep.

Actions have consequences.

These idiots can GGF.

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #116 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 12:26am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

They are Australian citizens by law, and therefore our responsibility.

One thing you seem to forget is that this is not merely an exercise in compassion - it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries. They obviously don't want them either.

Its like if we loaded up Ivan Milat (before he died) on a plane and dumped him in some middle eastern shithole - so the people there would have to deal with that monster instead of us.
.

Complete bollocks, on stilts.

We didn't 'dump' them, they went despite being told by us not to.

Actually, we are dumping them by abandoning their requests for sanctuary, Soren. They and their children are citizens. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

They are only citizens when there are do-gooders like you who are willing to ignore their criminal actions ... otherwise they don't give a toss about Australia, they're just taking advantage of govt handouts so they, or their children, can try their stupid little jaunt again some day. If you think they care about Western life, you're an idiot

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #117 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 7:38am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

Having morons for parents does not entitle you to Australian citizenship.

Yeah it does actually - when those 'moron' parents themselves were Australian citizens.

You mean 'are' Australian citizens?

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it is about us, as a country, not having the right to simply dump our unwanted on other countries

We didn't dump them. They left voluntarily.

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We simply can't go around declaring that Australian citizens that are problematic for us are no longer our problem

Sure we can, if they leave the country to join a hostile foreign terrorist organisation.

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Common sense tells me I need to be well versed in all the facts to make such a judgement - which I am not. Neither, it turns out, are you.

Nice dodge Gandalf. What about if the fact is that they voluntarily left the country to join a hostile foreign terrorist organisation? Is that enough facts, or do you need to wait until after they come home and start stabbing random people on the street?

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Reply #118 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 9:11am

The reason Gandalf wants Australian muzlum terrorists back from the Middle East is plainly obvious. But for any relatively new forum members, a little back story might be helpful.

When Islamists were butchering people in Africa and the Middle East, Gandalf went looking for something more than his pathetic little existence in this country. It just wasn't spiritual enough for him. Against a panorama of muzlum beheadings of non-believers in the Middle East and Indonesia, not to mention the atrocities carried out in non-Islamic countries, Gandalf chose Islam.

When criticised for Islamic proselytising, Gandalf stated here on Ozpol that Australia is already a part of Islam, and when asked to clarify which was the higher authority, our constitution or the Koran, he refused to answer. So, the right of his people to return to Australia is not because they are Australian, it is because Australia is part of Islam.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued Reply #119 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am issuevoter wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 9:11am: So, the right of his people to return to Australia is not because they are Australian, it is because Australia is part of Islam. LOL He suffers from "Self-inflicted delusion" syndrome
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