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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #1 - Oct 2nd, 2022 at 9:14pm
 

"Australians in Syrian detention camps to be brought home by federal government"




They are not Australians,     ....they are followers of ISLAM.

ISLAM is a nation of people, with a national purpose.



Q.
Why did these 'Australian' followers of ISLAM travel to Syria ?

A.
They travelled to Syria so that they could be a part of the [emerging, 'blossoming'] ISLAMIC STATE OF SYRIA AND IRAQ [back in 2011].

Allegiance to ISLAM trumps these persons allegiance to Australia and its laws.



These persons are not Australians [except when they want Australians to rescue them from   THEIR OWN   ISLAMIC entanglements].



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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?






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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1608864099/1#1
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ARGUMENT;
The religious strictures of ISLAM require the follower of ISLAM;
1/ to love and to serve Allah's religion,
and,
2/ to hate all things which are deemed to be, NON-ISLAMIC.


".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."



The religious strictures of ISLAM itself, determine what type of life is acceptable to ISLAM.  [a not uncommon situ, for followers of any religion]

And these religious strictures, 'nominate' [for the edification of the believer] every item [and idea] in this world, as being either ISLAMICALLY approved, or not.

And those 'things' which are not ISLAMICALLY approved, are to be rejected and hated, by the follower of ISLAM.

INCLUDING, all disbelievers.   e.g. Koran 60.4


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FURTHER;


WWW search....
AL WALAA WAL BARAA, "Islamic jurists"


Essentially, it translates as;

".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."



It means, LOVING your moslem brothers.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, HATING the non-moslem.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, being a moslem.

It means, OBEYING ISLAMIC LAW !




Pure Al-wala' wa-l-bara' in the Koran....


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23










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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #2 - Oct 2nd, 2022 at 9:17pm
 
Stop peddling your Islamophobic hatred, Yadda.  They are Australian citizens, their religion is unimportant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #3 - Oct 2nd, 2022 at 9:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 9:17pm:


Stop peddling your Islamophobic hatred, Yadda.

They are Australian citizens, their religion is unimportant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes






brian,

Q.
Why don't you delete my post brian ???       Huh

Then my TRUTHFUL post would not upset you so much.



Oh, brian cannot delete my post,         ......only,      ......because this is not the DEFENCE board.      Tongue






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Reply #4 - Oct 2nd, 2022 at 11:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 9:17pm:


Stop peddling your Islamophobic hatred, Yadda.

They are Australian citizens, their religion is unimportant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes






brain,

Instead of accusing me of being 'ISLAMOPHOBIC', why couldn't you have called me a liar ?

And then, you could have embarrassed me in this public forum, by pointing out all of my lies.



FOR EXAMPLE.....
I claimed that [some] 'Australian' followers of ISLAM, travelled to Syria so that they could be a part of the [emerging, 'blossoming'] ISLAMIC STATE OF SYRIA AND IRAQ [back in 2011].

I claimed that ISLAM is a nation of people, with a national purpose.

I claimed that the allegiance of a follower of ISLAM, to ISLAM,   ....trumps any sworn allegiance to Australia and its laws [or to any other secular jurisdiction].

I claimed that these persons are only claiming to be Australians now, because they want Australians to rescue them from   THEIR OWN   ISLAMIC entanglements [i.e. from the consequences of their own choices, as followers of ISLAM].



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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA


....WWW search



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Every one of these 'Australian' followers of ISLAM, in Syria,   ....is still, and remains, a follower of ISLAM.


Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.



That is what a 'moslem' is.


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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2
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MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.






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Reply #5 - Oct 3rd, 2022 at 12:12am
 
Yadda wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 11:59pm:
Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA


....WWW search








Quote:

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Once a person accepts Islam, they unlock a membership to a community that spans all of time and space–the Muslim ummah.

The idea of a Muslim community is referenced in Islam’s two primary sources, the Quran and the sayings of the Prophet, or the sunnah. in the Quran [2:143].

Although the word “ummah” is used for other groups of people as well, the general usage of the term today refers specifically to the global Muslim ummah.

Ummah is also a term that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, used to describe all of his followers.

Many of his sayings use the phrase “my ummah” within them and it is often translated as “nation.”

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https://www.whyislam.org/social-ties-2/the-bond-between-all-muslims-the-ummah/

ISLAMIC source




Quote:

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"
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https://sheikyermami.com/2014/06/tabari-969-killing-unbelievers-is-a-small-matte
r-to-us-2/







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Reply #6 - Oct 3rd, 2022 at 1:13am
 
Great way to live a life ... leave Australia, where they were safe, to follow some terrorist menfolk to an unsafe illegal war zone, give birth to a bunch of kids, watch while their menfolk are killed by superior forces, get stuck in the place, then beg Australia to take them back where they'll be safe ... safe in jail, if that's what it takes


Prepared to go to jail ..... but we all know they won't be jailed



"Labor needs to assure Australians that individuals who may have been radicalised pose no threat upon their return to Australia — and explain the efforts they're going to undertake to monitor and rehabilitate these individuals."


A bit of double dutch gobbledeegook there I'd say



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Reply #7 - Oct 3rd, 2022 at 8:45am
 
They should be returned to Australia under strict conditions. In addition to those conditions mentioned in the article the women should agree to make public appearances and  speak to groups or individuals deemed at risk of radicalisation telling them exactly what life was like under Islamic State.
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"These are people that would, in our judgement — not all of them but some of them — have the potential and capacity to come back here and cause a mass casualty event," Mr Dutton told 2GB in October 2019.
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Reply #9 - Oct 3rd, 2022 at 1:04pm
 
Yadda, I do not have the ability to delete posts outside the Defence Forum, now, let the adults discuss this issue, OK?  Your Islamophobia belongs in the kindergarten playground.

Federal government says Australians returning from Syrian detention camps will be monitored by security agencies

Australian citizens cannot have their citizenship withdrawn without some convoluted legal proceedings.  As citizens they enjoy certain rights -  including the right to protection under the Vienna convention on 1815 and 1961. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Oct 3rd, 2022 at 2:59pm
 
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Australian citizens cannot have their citizenship withdrawn without some convoluted legal proceedings.


Do you think leaving the country to join a hostile enemy terrorist organisation might justify a bit of paperwork?
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Reply #11 - Oct 3rd, 2022 at 3:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Yadda, I do not have the ability to delete posts outside the Defence Forum, now, let the adults discuss this issue, OK?  Your Islamophobia belongs in the kindergarten playground.

Federal government says Australians returning from Syrian detention camps will be monitored by security agencies

Australian citizens cannot have their citizenship withdrawn without some convoluted legal proceedings.  As citizens they enjoy certain rights -  including the right to protection under the Vienna convention on 1815 and 1961. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Reply #12 - Oct 3rd, 2022 at 5:42pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 3:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Yadda, I do not have the ability to delete posts outside the Defence Forum, now, let the adults discuss this issue, OK?  Your Islamophobia belongs in the kindergarten playground.

Federal government says Australians returning from Syrian detention camps will be monitored by security agencies

Australian citizens cannot have their citizenship withdrawn without some convoluted legal proceedings.  As citizens they enjoy certain rights -  including the right to protection under the Vienna convention on 1815 and 1961. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Cheesy Cheesy
Gawd you are full of shite, Bbwian!

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1498885182/198#198


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Reply #13 - Oct 3rd, 2022 at 5:43pm
 
Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack?
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freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 5:43pm:
Brian do you think it is a good idea for the Labor government to bring people into the country in full knowledge that they pose a serious risk of conducting a mass casualty terrorist attack?



Of course. Freedom of speech, innit.

As dinky-di Australians they have the RIGHT to go and be jihadis for Islamic world domination and then have the RIGHT, as still dinky-di Australians,  to come back when the jihadi wheeze for Islamic world domination has a temporary set-back. Every schoolboy knows that.

Do you have a mail order Doctor of Divinity certificate to evidence how educated you are, FD?  Nooo??!?! So pull your head in, you racist Islamophobe.



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