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Reply #210 - Nov 7th, 2022 at 9:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2022 at 9:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 7th, 2022 at 8:35pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2022 at 7:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 7th, 2022 at 7:31pm:
Everybody has the concept of innocence until proven guilty, Soren.  Except of course, if they are Muslim in your mind.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Not Muslims.  They behead and burn alive, enslave, rape and murder anyone who doesn't Islam (ie Submit).  Your kinda people - spineless, intolerant, mindless, vain, incontinent.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you have evidence to support these claims, Soren?  You won't have any trouble producing it?  Why do you resort such ad hominem insults, Soren?  They show how simple your arguments are.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Hi Brian,
could you be correctly described as an Islamic apologist?


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No. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #211 - Nov 7th, 2022 at 9:27pm
 
dear Brian,
you sound like one.
Are you just trolling or are you genuine?
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Reply #212 - Nov 8th, 2022 at 10:58am
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2022 at 9:27pm:
dear Brian,
you sound like one.
Are you just trolling or are you genuine?


I genuinely believe in the rule of law, unlike you, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #213 - Nov 8th, 2022 at 4:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 10:58am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2022 at 9:27pm:
dear Brian,
you sound like one.
Are you just trolling or are you genuine?


I genuinely believe in the rule of law, unlike you, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So if you're not an Islamic apologist then
maybe you're an Islamic sympathiser?     Embarrassed
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Reply #214 - Nov 8th, 2022 at 5:27pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 4:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 10:58am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2022 at 9:27pm:
dear Brian,
you sound like one.
Are you just trolling or are you genuine?


I genuinely believe in the rule of law, unlike you, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So if you're not an Islamic apologist then
maybe you're an Islamic sympathiser?     Embarrassed


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Only the law-abiding majority, Bobby.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #215 - Nov 8th, 2022 at 7:39pm
 
What about this mob Brian?
Islamic apologists and sympathisers let them return.
They are charged with promoting terrorism.





Of course it could never happen here could it?

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/11/06/denmark-charges-islamic-state-women-...

Denmark Charges Islamic State Women for Promoting Terrorism

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Danish prosecutors have charged three women, all in their thirties, for promoting terrorism after travelling to Syria where they joined the Islamic State and married members of the jihadist terror organisation.

The three women, aged 33,35, and 38, have been charged by Danish prosecutors after being in custody since arriving back in Denmark in October 2021 after they were repatriated from the al-Hol prison camp in northern Syria along with their 14 children.

“It is our opinion that women have been an important part of ISIS in terms of family and practical support of the terrorist organization, which contributed to isis activities in the occupied territories,” said Jakob Berger Nielsen, public prosecutor in Viborg, the newspaper Berlingske reports.


Two of the women are said to have Danish citizenship, while another has dual citizenship and, as a result, could be stripped of her Danish passport and deported — a move the prosecution wishes to take in the case.

Two of the women are expected to be brought before juries as prosecutors are seeking at least four years in prison for each, while the other case is expected to be brought before a hearing.

The first case is scheduled to take place in November, with the second taking place in April of next year. No date has yet been confirmed for the third case.

Several countries have arrested and prosecuted returning Islamic State women who were repatriated from the al-Hol camp, including Denmark’s neighbour Sweden, which arrested a woman last year who allegedly forced her own son to become a child soldier for the terror group.

Earlier this year, the daughter of an Islamic State woman arrested for forced marriages, human trafficking, and helping an Islamic State member rape a child, was also arrested in Denmark after she was accused of trying to ship off a four-year-old girl to Qatar against the wishes of the mother of the child.
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Reply #216 - Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:44pm
 
The rule of law applies to them as it does to everybody else, Bobby.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #217 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 2:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2022 at 2:51pm:
Why is it Australia's responsibility to save terrorists and their families from themselves?  Let them seek asylum in Afghanistan or Pakistan.


Because they are Australia citizens - not Afghani or Pakistani. Due to the ISIS caliphate no longer existing, there is no other country on earth besides Australia who is obligated to take responsibility for them. They are welcome to seek asylum in Afghanistan or Pakistan, but those countries are perfectly entitled to kick them out and declare "not our problem".
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Reply #218 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 3:49pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 2:39pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2022 at 2:51pm:
Why is it Australia's responsibility to save terrorists and their families from themselves?  Let them seek asylum in Afghanistan or Pakistan.


Because they are Australia citizens - not Afghani or Pakistani. Due to the ISIS caliphate no longer existing, there is no other country on earth besides Australia who is obligated to take responsibility for them. They are welcome to seek asylum in Afghanistan or Pakistan, but those countries are perfectly entitled to kick them out and declare "not our problem".



Nonsense. Why wasn't Australia repatriating them while ISIS existed? 

They should be stripped of their citizenship and disowned. Let them be stateless. It is not Australia's fault or responsibility that ISIS, their new country they betrayed Australka for, has collapsed.
Or they should be charged, at the very least, tried and convicted for treason, hard labour breaking rocks and then gluing them back together,  kids given up for adoption to non-Muslims.



Let’s face it, the ISIS wives would not be returning to Australia if the Islamist extremist head-lopping Caliphate was still at large in Syria and Iraq.

Speak to that, two-faced son of Mohammed.



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Reply #219 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 5:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 3:49pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 2:39pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2022 at 2:51pm:
Why is it Australia's responsibility to save terrorists and their families from themselves?  Let them seek asylum in Afghanistan or Pakistan.


Because they are Australia citizens - not Afghani or Pakistani. Due to the ISIS caliphate no longer existing, there is no other country on earth besides Australia who is obligated to take responsibility for them. They are welcome to seek asylum in Afghanistan or Pakistan, but those countries are perfectly entitled to kick them out and declare "not our problem".



Nonsense. Why wasn't Australia repatriating them while ISIS existed? 

They should be stripped of their citizenship and disowned. Let them be stateless. It is not Australia's fault or responsibility that ISIS, their new country they betrayed Australka for, has collapsed.
Or they should be charged, at the very least, tried and convicted for treason, hard labour breaking rocks and then gluing them back together,  kids given up for adoption to non-Muslims.



Let’s face it, the ISIS wives would not be returning to Australia if the Islamist extremist head-lopping Caliphate was still at large in Syria and Iraq.

Speak to that, two-faced son of Mohammed.




Let’s face it, the ISIS wives would not be returning to Australia if the Islamist extremist head-lopping Caliphate was still at large in Syria and Iraq.

Someone in charge of Australia needs to state, once and for all, that Australian-dual citizens who joined ISIS – or any other similar hostile foreign state – now, or in the future, will ever be permitted to return.

Instead, the charade continues.

One of the West’s flaws is allowing our system to be exploited by people who apparently hate our country and the peaceful citizens within it. These same people have demanded the rights and privileges that they denied to the victims of the ISIS regime and its horrific Jihad.
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Reply #220 - Nov 12th, 2022 at 4:12pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3rd, 2022 at 12:44pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:42pm:
Like a stereotypical slippery Muslim, when we point out that a person born overseas has no automatic rights to citizenship, Gandalf pretends we are talking about people who were forced to leave the country against their will, and when we point out that no-one was dragged out of the country against their will, Gandalf pretends we are talking about an unborn fetus. How do you think your antics reflect on Islam and your fellow Muslims Gandalf? Do you think it makes people consider you trustworthy?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:15pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 12:22pm:
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Quite an achievement for an unborn fetus wouldn't you say?


Unborn fetus's have no rights to citizenship under any law.


Nor are they capable of making decisions like voluntarily leaving one country for another - as you claimed.

Also, they do have rights to citizenship when they are born. And they have been born FD.


You are not actually that stupid Gandalf. I responded on the unborn fetus separately. Try again:

We didn't dump them. They left voluntarily.

Who, by the way, do you think we "dumped"?

And don't pretend I am talking about people who did not exist.

As for the unborn fetus, what citizenship rights do you think an unborn fetus has?


Silly FD.

We are talking about repatriating not just the adults, but also their children - many of whom were not born until after their parents left Australia - agreed?

Despite the fact that these children had absolutely no say in the foolish decision of their parents, you still pretend that these children "chose" to leave Australia - like their parents (by making no distinction between the two whatsoever)- thus justifying your BS claim that they should be denied. I take the view that unborn fetuses should not be blamed for the decisions of their parents. Radical, I know.

Either way, you still haven't answered the obvious dilemma I presented - if they're not Australia's problem - whose are they? Keeping in mind that the "state" they left to join no longer exists.


And you flip flop between them all like a slippery Muslim.
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Reply #221 - Nov 12th, 2022 at 4:56pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3rd, 2022 at 12:44pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:42pm:
Like a stereotypical slippery Muslim, when we point out that a person born overseas has no automatic rights to citizenship, Gandalf pretends we are talking about people who were forced to leave the country against their will, and when we point out that no-one was dragged out of the country against their will, Gandalf pretends we are talking about an unborn fetus. How do you think your antics reflect on Islam and your fellow Muslims Gandalf? Do you think it makes people consider you trustworthy?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:15pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 12:22pm:
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Quite an achievement for an unborn fetus wouldn't you say?


Unborn fetus's have no rights to citizenship under any law.


Nor are they capable of making decisions like voluntarily leaving one country for another - as you claimed.

Also, they do have rights to citizenship when they are born. And they have been born FD.


You are not actually that stupid Gandalf. I responded on the unborn fetus separately. Try again:

We didn't dump them. They left voluntarily.

Who, by the way, do you think we "dumped"?

And don't pretend I am talking about people who did not exist.

As for the unborn fetus, what citizenship rights do you think an unborn fetus has?


Silly FD.

We are talking about repatriating not just the adults, but also their children - many of whom were not born until after their parents left Australia - agreed?

Despite the fact that these children had absolutely no say in the foolish decision of their parents, you still pretend that these children "chose" to leave Australia - like their parents (by making no distinction between the two whatsoever)- thus justifying your BS claim that they should be denied. I take the view that unborn fetuses should not be blamed for the decisions of their parents. Radical, I know.

Either way, you still haven't answered the obvious dilemma I presented - if they're not Australia's problem - whose are they? Keeping in mind that the "state" they left to join no longer exists.

By that logic the Palestinians should ALL be taken by Turkey, Syria, Jordan etc because the last state they were part of, the Ottoman Empire, no longer exists, only its successor states.
Or they should resign to being part of Israel and territories occupied and controlled by Israel, the other successor state on that corner of the world (previously occupied and controlled by Jordan and Egypt).


In any case, these jihadis and their children would not be returning to Australia if the Islamist extremist head-lopping Caliphate was still at large in Syria and Iraq.  They were not in Syria and Iraq when ISIS took over - in which case they would be right to request rescuing. But no, they went to be part of ISIS, so let them wear the consequences.


Anyway, Albo has brought them back already, so now we can keep an eye on them at great expense, both in monitoring and welfare payments.
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Reply #222 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 2:27pm
 
FD resorting to personal attacks - because thats literally all he has left. Pathetic.

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Reply #223 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 2:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 3:49pm:
Let’s face it, the ISIS wives would not be returning to Australia if the Islamist extremist head-lopping Caliphate was still at large in Syria and Iraq.

Speak to that, two-faced son of Mohammed.


Sure. I'll speak to the fact that so far the majority of the repatriated are children, the oldest I believe is 13. That would mean almost all of them were not even born when their parents set out for jihad and glory. We, as a country, were responsible for their parents the moment we failed to stop them from leaving - as per Australian law. We therefore should take some responsibility for their children, all entirely innocent, being put in harms way.
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Reply #224 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 2:41pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 4:56pm:
By that logic the Palestinians should ALL be taken by Turkey, Syria, Jordan etc because the last state they were part of, the Ottoman Empire, no longer exists, only its successor states.
Or they should resign to being part of Israel and territories occupied and controlled by Israel, the other successor state on that corner of the world (previously occupied and controlled by Jordan and Egypt).


Not even close to that logic. For starters, Palestinians were never Turkish, Syrian or Jordianian citizens - they weren't even born there. Unlike the ISIS aussies.

Secondly, Israel became responsible for them the moment they annexed their land. They should have made them Israeli citizens years ago (or at least be given the opportunity to become so).
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