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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #240 - Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 5:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 3:26pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 12:03pm:

Very creative jumping between the active and passive voices: Australia is responsible for these Muslims' actions of breaking Australian laws.
A very typically Muslim way of arse covering and avoiding responsibility. Bbwianesquely spineless.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I'm not even part of your conversation but I still get included, hey, Soren? Appears you are scared of me for some inexplicable reason. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

In reality, IS never really existed except in the imaginations of some very strange thinking people - Muslim and Right-wing Westerners. Most people recognised that it didn't exist. Funny that. Do you have nightmares at night about people in far off countries murdering you, Soren? Roll Eyes

You are the proverbial wazzock, Bbwian. As Bismarck said about the Russians, no matter what anyone says, you never fail to come up with a completely unforeseeable idiocy in response. That's your Bbwianesque affliction.

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #241 - Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:39am

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 7:13am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 10:25am:

freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 10:13am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 2:27pm:

FD resorting to personal attacks - because thats literally all he has left. Pathetic.

I am accusing you of flip flopping, like a slippery Muslim, to avoid giving a straight answer. It's not my fault you are a stereotype Gandalf.

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2022 at 4:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2022 at 12:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 1:42pm:

Like a stereotypical slippery Muslim, when we point out that a person born overseas has no automatic rights to citizenship, Gandalf pretends we are talking about people who were forced to leave the country against their will, and when we point out that no-one was dragged out of the country against their will, Gandalf pretends we are talking about an unborn fetus. How do you think your antics reflect on Islam and your fellow Muslims Gandalf? Do you think it makes people consider you trustworthy?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 12:22pm:

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Quite an achievement for an unborn fetus wouldn't you say?

Unborn fetus's have no rights to citizenship under any law.

Nor are they capable of making decisions like voluntarily leaving one country for another - as you claimed.

Also, they do have rights to citizenship when they are born. And they have been born FD.

You are not actually that stupid Gandalf. I responded on the unborn fetus separately. Try again:

We didn't dump them. They left voluntarily.

Who, by the way, do you think we "dumped"?

And don't pretend I am talking about people who did not exist.

As for the unborn fetus, what citizenship rights do you think an unborn fetus has?

Silly FD.

We are talking about repatriating not just the adults, but also their children - many of whom were not born until after their parents left Australia - agreed?

Despite the fact that these children had absolutely no say in the foolish decision of their parents, you still pretend that these children "chose" to leave Australia - like their parents (by making no distinction between the two whatsoever)- thus justifying your BS claim that they should be denied. I take the view that unborn fetuses should not be blamed for the decisions of their parents. Radical, I know.

Either way, you still haven't answered the obvious dilemma I presented - if they're not Australia's problem - whose are they? Keeping in mind that the "state" they left to join no longer exists.

And you flip flop between them all like a slippery Muslim.

You think children should be punished for the crimes of their parents. Fact. You said "no-one was dragged out of the country against their will" - even though we are talking about children who were not even born at the time. Fact.

You keep changing your mind about what we are talking about Gandalf. You are playing the stereotype of the slippery Muslim, unable to stick to the one point for more than one response, just keep changing the topic and going round in circles.

My topic has been children FD - and how they deserve us to take responsibility for them. This hasn't changed.

You on the other hand have difficulty reconciling your stance that "no one was dragged out of the country against their will" - as some moral justification for punishing them - with the fact that the people in question weren't even born at the time - and obviously didn't have a choice in the matter.

I have also put it to you - in several different ways - that there is no other country except Australia to blame for them ending up where they did - and therefore no other country who has moral (not to mention legal) responsibility for them. You, in typical FD fashion, just continue to tapdance away from this inconvenient fact.

You love to say "not our problem" - but fail to say whose problem they should be. At least Frank had a go at it.

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #242 - Nov 25^th, 2022 at 7:39am

A Sydney mayor has again lashed plans to resettle repatriated Islamic State wives and their children in the city's western suburbs, firmly stating "we don't want them."

The comments comes after it was announced Home Affairs Minister Clare O'Neil would visit western Sydney tomorrow, to discuss the resettlement with the mayors of Campbelltown, Liverpool and Fairfield.

A cohort of more than a dozen family members arrived last month, with another 40 or so to be repatriated in the coming month.

"People need to understand the community out here believes there has been an injustice done, and this is the first of many people that could be repatriated," he said.

"We know many people left this country to fight with ISIS. We don't want a precedent to be set and western Sydney to be a dumping ground.

"In other countries, you get five years for aiding and abetting. In Australia, it seems the precedent is you can come here and go to McDonald's.

"We will be making it clear we don't want them resettled in Western Sydney."

Three-quarters of Sydney's Assyrian and Chaldean population live in Fairfield. The two minority groups have suffered persecution at the hands of Islamic State.

Carbone said the decision to repatriate the so-called brides to Fairfield is "insensitive".

"We want to make sure the victims of ISIS' feelings are taken into account.

"And the general Australian community wants to see justice and we don't want to set a precedent for the future - if we go to war, we don't want people who go and fight against their home to be free to come back."

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued Reply #243 - Nov 25^th, 2022 at 8:48am This is an example of the down side of multicultural policy that creates an artificial demographic. We import the bad side of a culture, along with the good. Advocates don't care, or don't believe there is a down side.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued Reply #244 - Nov 25^th, 2022 at 9:01am As far as I understand, they are simply returning them to where they originally lived. So its not like they are "choosing" particularly sensitive areas to dump them.
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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #245 - Nov 25^th, 2022 at 9:16am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 9:01am:

As far as I understand, they are simply returning them to where they originally lived. So its not like they are "choosing" particularly sensitive areas to dump them.

Oh, so now it's land rights for ISIS wives? Traditional inhabitants, innit?
Where most of their victims live.

They should be charged, convicted, jailed.

And don't use their kids as human shields for their villany.

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #246 - Nov 25^th, 2022 at 12:46pm

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 3:26pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 12:03pm:

Very creative jumping between the active and passive voices: Australia is responsible for these Muslims' actions of breaking Australian laws.
A very typically Muslim way of arse covering and avoiding responsibility. Bbwianesquely spineless.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I'm not even part of your conversation but I still get included, hey, Soren? Appears you are scared of me for some inexplicable reason. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

In reality, IS never really existed except in the imaginations of some very strange thinking people - Muslim and Right-wing Westerners. Most people recognised that it didn't exist. Funny that. Do you have nightmares at night about people in far off countries murdering you, Soren? Roll Eyes

You are the proverbial wazzock, Bbwian. As Bismarck said about the Russians, no matter what anyone says, you never fail to come up with a completely unforeseeable idiocy in response. That's your Bbwianesque affliction.

Your childishness is showing, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #247 - Nov 25^th, 2022 at 12:48pm

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 9:16am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 9:01am:

As far as I understand, they are simply returning them to where they originally lived. So its not like they are "choosing" particularly sensitive areas to dump them.

Oh, so now it's land rights for ISIS wives? Traditional inhabitants, innit?
Where most of their victims live.

They should be charged, convicted, jailed.

And don't use their kids as human shields for their villany.

Maybe we should apply the same standards to all immigrants, Soren? You know the Danish ones descended from Nazi sympathisers like you? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued
Reply #248 - Nov 26^th, 2022 at 9:52am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2022 at 8:39am:

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2022 at 7:13am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 10:25am:

freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 10:13am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 2:27pm:

FD resorting to personal attacks - because thats literally all he has left. Pathetic.

I am accusing you of flip flopping, like a slippery Muslim, to avoid giving a straight answer. It's not my fault you are a stereotype Gandalf.

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2022 at 4:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2022 at 12:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 1:42pm:

Like a stereotypical slippery Muslim, when we point out that a person born overseas has no automatic rights to citizenship, Gandalf pretends we are talking about people who were forced to leave the country against their will, and when we point out that no-one was dragged out of the country against their will, Gandalf pretends we are talking about an unborn fetus. How do you think your antics reflect on Islam and your fellow Muslims Gandalf? Do you think it makes people consider you trustworthy?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 12:22pm:

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Quite an achievement for an unborn fetus wouldn't you say?

Unborn fetus's have no rights to citizenship under any law.

Nor are they capable of making decisions like voluntarily leaving one country for another - as you claimed.

Also, they do have rights to citizenship when they are born. And they have been born FD.

You are not actually that stupid Gandalf. I responded on the unborn fetus separately. Try again:

We didn't dump them. They left voluntarily.

Who, by the way, do you think we "dumped"?

And don't pretend I am talking about people who did not exist.

As for the unborn fetus, what citizenship rights do you think an unborn fetus has?

Silly FD.

We are talking about repatriating not just the adults, but also their children - many of whom were not born until after their parents left Australia - agreed?

Despite the fact that these children had absolutely no say in the foolish decision of their parents, you still pretend that these children "chose" to leave Australia - like their parents (by making no distinction between the two whatsoever)- thus justifying your BS claim that they should be denied. I take the view that unborn fetuses should not be blamed for the decisions of their parents. Radical, I know.

Either way, you still haven't answered the obvious dilemma I presented - if they're not Australia's problem - whose are they? Keeping in mind that the "state" they left to join no longer exists.

And you flip flop between them all like a slippery Muslim.

You think children should be punished for the crimes of their parents. Fact. You said "no-one was dragged out of the country against their will" - even though we are talking about children who were not even born at the time. Fact.

You keep changing your mind about what we are talking about Gandalf. You are playing the stereotype of the slippery Muslim, unable to stick to the one point for more than one response, just keep changing the topic and going round in circles.

My topic has been children FD - and how they deserve us to take responsibility for them. This hasn't changed.

So the topic has never been unborn fetuses?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued Reply #249 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 10:28am we are talking about your desire to punish children for the crime of their parents. What were these children at the time these crimes were committed FD? (hint - it was before they were born).
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49397 At my desk.	Re: Australians in Syrian camps to be rescued Reply #250 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 10:31am Not granting a foreigner Australian citizenship is not punishment Gandalf. There are millions of people who want to immigrate to this country. It is a privilege, not a right. It certainly shouldn't be granted on the basis of being raised by enemy terrorists.
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Reply #251 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 1:24pm

Their parents are australian citizens. We are responsible for them because we let them slip through the cracks. We have a duty of care for their kids. Pretending we don't and abandoning them is punishing them.

I'll ask yet again for the zillionth time: if not our responsibility, then whose? Would you settle for Australia pays for the refugee camps they are holed up in?

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Reply #252 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 2:04pm

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Their parents are australian citizens.

Are you saying that they are not Australian citizens?

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We are responsible for them because we let them slip through the cracks.

We helped to kill a lot of them. But our responsibilities do not extend to favouring them above all the other desperate people seeking Australian citizenship.

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Reply #253 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 2:23pm

You still don't get it FD.

This is not the same as denying non-Australians asylum. They are Australian citizens to start with. They begat in Australia. We passed a law forbidding them to leave. We were supposed to stop them going, but they got out anyway - to the detriment of other countries who never asked for them, but are now burdened with accommodating them. The "state" that wanted them there no longer exists, and there is no other country on earth that should be responsible for them.

Throw them in prison or re-legalise the death penalty and execute them if you like. (the adults that is, not the blameless children).

But they are our problem. All of them.

We.Have.To.Deal.With.Them.

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 2:04pm:

Are you saying that they are not Australian citizens?

My understanding is they need to apply if they were born outside the country. Either way they are our responsibility. Again, if not ours whose? Neither Syria or Turkey asked for them to come to their countries.

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Reply #254 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 2:37pm

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This is not the same as denying non-Australians asylum. They are Australian citizens to start with. They begat in Australia. We passed a law forbidding them to leave.

Are you changing your mind again Gandalf?

What law did we pass forbidding unborn fetuses to leave the country?

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My understanding is they need to apply if they were born outside the country.

If they are Australian citizens to begin with, why would they need to apply? Are you talking about yet another group now?

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