Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2022 at 10:38pm:



Peace man.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 9:57am:


Don't be so predictably two faced and dishonest.

They lived in Australia. They went to Syria DESPITE warnings not to. They were not Shanghaied but went freely, willingly. They liked it while there, while IS was spreading, while the gruesome beheadings and rapes and enslavement a were happening.
They only want to come back because their IS dreams failed, because the Islamic slipper with the iron heel is on the other foot.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 10:34am:



So they are victims? Of their Muslim husbands?
But not when hijabing up?

Should we remove their children and have a Muslim stolen generation in 20 years?

Why did Muslims flock to something as gruesome and evil as IS? Were they, like Gillard, just young and naive?

How do we, how can we, know that they have renounced IS  and all it's works and ways?

If they are not victims, their children most definitely are. Not even you can deny that. And so what then? Remove the children and have a stolen generation?

We owe them a duty of care. The government says they will only follow security advise. And if the security advise says there is a way of repatriating them without increasing the threat, then, really, what besides sheer vindictiveness could be the objection?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 9:57am:


The muslim women have got no brains, otherwise they'd have nothing to do with maniac blokes with a twisted sense of self preservation and preserving Islam, those idiots ended up getting taken out, they got exactly what they deserved ... and if any more try it, they'll get the very same treatment

The women, just like their violent menfolk, are brain-dead, nothing between their ears, empty vacuum, Islam does that to them, it's a sad way to live


polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 9:57am:


If the children are victims, it's only because of the stupid actions of their parents, who have no idea of what personal responsibility is, and no sense of responsibility towards their children

We know the Labor party won't change their minds about letting them re-enter Australia, the Labor party is just as mad as they are, empty vacuums, I certainly have never voted for them, nor the Coalition, in fact I don't vote at all now, Australia has gone to the pack, evidenced by, not only this type of muslim thing, but by all the drug dealing and murdering that's going on, not to mention the massive debt that's accumulating from government spending, a tax cut won't fix anything, there's too many other things wrong, we get around with blinkers on, and muffs on our ears

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 10:55am:



Why go to ISIS despite repeated warnings not to and have children there? What happened to parental duty of care?

They turned they back on Australia, their Western home country, aided with the avowed enemies of their country - but now they want back? Why do they want to come back? What changed? Can't assist in the rape and slaughter of ISIS any more? Why don't they go to Afganistan or Pakistan?  Those places are much closer to their Islamic hearts than infidel running dog Of thd Great Satan and Little Satan as nd they can bring up their kiddies much more Islamically there, untainted by evil infidel surroundings.




Memory aid:
ISIS systematically and violently targeted non-Sunni Syrians and Iraqis, expelling them from their homes, plundering their properties and businesses and claiming them as a war spoil (ghanima). Non-Muslim minorities were forced to pay a form of protection tax (jizya), or convert on threat of death. Thousands were taken hostage, ransomed, or executed, while others were enslaved.

ISIS attracted unprecedented numbers of foreigners who came to join the organisation or live in territory under its rule. Estimates place the total number at 40,000 people from 80 countries. The number of Australians who travelled to Iraq and Syria has been reported to be 230, although this figure includes people who joined other militant groups.

As a territorially expansive organisation, ISIS has sought to co-opt conflicts and grow subsidiaries in other parts of the world, including elsewhere in the Middle East, Africa, the Caucasus, South Asia, and Southeast Asia. Subsidiaries are sometimes existing insurgent groups ISIS subsumed, or splinter factions of them. Their relationships with ISIS vary in closeness, depending on the nature of ties between them.

Further reflecting the importance ISIS places on territory, subsidiaries are treated as, and organised by, provinces (wilayat). Because ISIS rejects the legitimacy of international borders, a province(wilayah)may stretch across several countries. There can also be multiple provinceswithin a country. ISIS has also referred toareas where it has neither territory nor an announced subsidiary as provinces. ISIS does so to maintain an appearance of expansion—as was the case with its April 2019 reference to ‘wilayah Turkey’, following the loss of its last territory. Expansion of territory has not, however, been ISIS’s sole focus.

ISIS had already set up an external operations section dedicated to organising terrorist attacks outside Syria and Iraq before it declared the establishment of its caliphate in mid-2014. The section was part of the external wing of ISIS’s security department. It was established as a means of exerting control over foreigners within ISIS who were agitating to carry out external attacks. The security department’s internal wing was already holding Western hostages.

In September 2014, the head of ISIS’s security department released a statement that was akin to a standing operational order and which has become one of its most enduring and important releases. Although framed as a response to growing international efforts against ISIS, the statement was driven by internal imperatives to co-opt the jihadist milieu and project an image of power and capability. The statement gave ISIS supporters around the world, particularly in the West, carte blanche sanction to carry out attacks in its name. Supporters were told they should attack wherever and whenever they could, without seeking further permission or instruction. Australia was among several countries singled out.

Almost immediately, ISIS supporters in a number of Western countries began to follow this guidance, carrying out what came to be termed ‘ISIS inspired’ or ‘lone-actor’ attacks.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BriefingBook46p/ISISCaliphate