Indigenous leaders already have adequate access to politicians – and have had for decades – but that hasn’t brought about any meaningful change, he told News Corp’s BEYOND’23 conference in Sydney on Tuesday.

“We’ve been doing that for 50 years and it hasn’t worked,” Mr Mundine said. “I want government to get off our backs.

“We really need to be focusing on what’s going to make change, and how the empowerment on the ground can happen.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/i-will-make-it-work-indigenous-...

More and more state intervention is exactly the problem.  "Hi, my name is Kevni, I am from the government and I am here to help" - that's the problem.

While the ABC has rightly highlighted the shocking statistics of the problem, it has been less vocal on the greatest contributors of the problem – badly behaving Aboriginal men. Consider that the ABC article featured several faces of innocent Aboriginal women who died violent deaths or are missing, yet the perpetrators’ faces were not shown. I suspect this is because they are often Aboriginal men. The article reports on the life and tragic death of one Aboriginal woman, and the name of her killer, her boyfriend, is given. However, the article does not report that he is Aboriginal; surely a noteworthy omission.

The article does refer to recent research published in the British Journal of Criminology. The journal article uses terms such as ‘neo-colonial’ and ‘settler’ to remind readers that Australia was invaded, perhaps in case some did not know. Quoting from this academic article: ‘In accounting for disproportionate rates of domestic violence against First Nations women, First Nations academics have consistently linked domestic and family violence to the historical and ongoing violence of ‘settler’ colonisation.’ These academics would do well to read Peter Sutton’s Politics of Suffering to understand that aspects of violence in Aboriginal communities, particularly against women, go back long before colonisation.

If some dismiss Sutton because he is not Aboriginal, they should read the 1962 biography of Aboriginal man, Waipuldanya, entitled I, the Aboriginal where he states: ‘The corroboree is banned to all women. They must remain at least half a mile away. If a woman went close to a Yaudurawa in my grandfather’s youth her head would have been chopped off at once. Even today death would be likely.’ Lest I be accused of sensationalistic racial bias, let me state that such brutality is no different to that of non-Aboriginal people if you go back far enough.
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The academic article referred to earlier, states: ‘Such failures suggested systemic police apathy towards First Nations women as victims of violence …’. This would seem a gross generalisation and misrepresentation of the police. While apathy may account for police failings in a minority of cases, there are other explanations. Police intervention can often mean that a perpetrator is arrested and jailed. When this happens, there are the predictable shouts of racial profiling and high incarceration rates. And of course, if a perpetrator should die in custody, we can expect to see activists use the death to promote the lie that Aboriginal people in custody are at greater risk of death than non-Aboriginal people in custody. This could explain why some police are reluctant to get involved in domestic violence cases involving Aboriginal people.

If the horrible statistics and stories of Aboriginal women as victims of domestic violence tells us anything, it is that more can be done to ensure that Aboriginal women live the lives that most non-Aboriginal women take for granted. Our best bet is to focus on building thriving communities where adults are working and kids are in school; also and essentially, stop the instinctive portrayal of Aboriginal perpetrators of violence as the victims of colonisation, and therefore not responsible for their behaviours. This is a huge insult to the many fine Aboriginal men who are peacemakers.

Further, the continual claims of racism and apathetic police are not helpful. According to NT Supreme Court judge Judith Kelly, as reported in the Australian: ‘It’s not racism that’s doing any of these things; it’s the violence of the men against the women.’

Finally, we must swim against the tide of political correctness and ensure that Aboriginal women have the confidence to report violence when it does happen and know that they will not be harmed by perpetrators or their protectors. This is something the proposed Parliamentary Indigenous Voice, if established, could consider.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/11/violence-against-aboriginal-women-is-not-new-news/

Well - let's lower this one down anyway - I'm too busy to go do the same for all the rest:-

A key finding of the royal commission was that while Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people do not die at a greater rate than non-Aboriginal people in custody, the rate at which Aboriginal people come into custody compared with the general community’ is ‘overwhelmingly different’.

So clearly the solution is to cut off the criminality at its source..... stop them stealing, bashing each other, killing their women, and all the other things they love so much as part of the culture.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 5:43pm:


Correct.

Requiring intervention (whether "TM" or not...) by an agency external to the community, since the black community itself is failing to cut off the criminality at it source.

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The crossed-out words are so absurd they don't deserve any serious consideration.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 2:27pm:
 

Even  your description of what I said is wrong;

"cut out the criminal behaviour for them" is not what is meant by intervention in the community, intervention which requires the involvement of everyone including the crims themselves (some of whom - recalcitrants - may indeed need to be locked up). 

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Please point to where I ever said that. ...

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No; intervention into criminal behaviour which is obviously race-based - as demonstrated by the stats showing "the highest incarceration rates of any racial group in the world" - is not as simple as waving a wand, but nevertheless, the racial basis of those terrible stats is a factor which needs to be understood and addressed.

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Because their original black culture has been largely destroyed by a more powerful culture, something the survivors don't understand today and cannot accept anyway, and hence are turning on themselves with self-destructive behaviour.

And your lack of understanding is complicit in their self-destructiveness.   

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We haven't got enough prisons....

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No doubt.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 3:42pm:


Yes...and it's not a matter of luck, it's a matter of enlightened policy.

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Positive solutions to criminality includes enlightened intervention ...see, eg, 'The Miserables'....

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You have to start somewhere, to bring order to a dysfunctional community.

In this case, start with a Job Guarantee - as a form of positive discrimination - for those amenable to the policy - already showed to work 1977 to 2007 with the CDEP scheme which reduced alcoholism and criminality among the participants in the scheme.

Note: a JG should be basic economic policy in ANY functional economic system, but we are content to stumble along with neoliberal orthodoxy because unemployed whites can cope with unemployment in less destructive ways than culturally demoralized blacks who have loss of their culture on top of personal disadvantage to deal with.    

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Addressed above, for the umpteenth time.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 5:45pm:


CDEP reduced alcoholism and criminality, the beginning of functional communities. Success proven. 

The triumph of neoliberal transfer of wealth to the 1%  "masters of the universe" destroyed the CDEP.

Pretty simple - how is a 'voice' elected from the existing groups going to work when the groups are no longer clear tribal group identities?  The Sydney area 'land council' that managed to claim Goat Island on the premise that it was owned by Bennelong and thus his descendants, is itself riven by the fact that the majority of its members have no connection with that 'land' and with historical ownership.... they are not from that part of Australia.

Who is to be elected to this 'voice' to represent them all? (a. the one with the biggest fists and standover) ...

Same as all this guff about National Parks - how is a group of all kinds/mobs combined and living in the towns in any way representative of the 'traditional owners' of any part of those areas?  Most of them have no historical roots to the area, and they've never lived there, never even walked there in most cases, so there is no unbroken connection and in many cases no connection whatsoever.

Again - who is to be the chosen one to represent that non-mob in a 'voice'?

Clearly having even a single representative for each tribal group, clan etc, resulting in nearly 1100, is ridiculous, and who is to say they are even of that 'mob'?

Sorry - but there is no realistic foundation for any voice, apart from all the other issues that stand against it - AND I will repeat - in view of all the prevailing science, clearly there is a crying need for not only a full review of the current approach to 'land claims', but also into the historical ones already made and set down.

Time for a full moratorium on all land claims and other claims, and a proper approach made to all these things, NONE of which will do a single thing to resolve the crying problems of the Indigenous.

Also time for the clear understanding that it is impossible to even consider any 'treaty' or 'voice' with a people who do not form one contiguous group, and move on.