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Reply #315 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 1:36pm

Then how to you propose to get 'em sober? Use nice language? Say pretty please?

You'll get it right.... your JG will not work without massive input - as I said at the time of the changeover of the CT role from SASR in WA to 2 Cdo (then 4RAR/Cdo) in Sydney - this will require long-term and long-running input from existing operators in CT school etc.... a very costly exercise and one which will remove from The Regiment the 'sharpened edge' derived from constant practice at CQB.

Your infrastructure to even begin and keep a loose eye on some remote JG will soak up most of the budget and little of it will hit the coal face.

Simple reality and nothing to do with any 'ideology' you claim I possess.

All we have to do is wait until they criminalise themselves and your road gang is a reality!! Easy as pie in that culture..... turn 'em loose on a Saturday night with a bellyfull of piss and off they go kicking heads and waiting for their family and enablers to show up and cry when they hit the prison gates again about 'scrimination and 'ppression and genocide.....

...... and-a Big Black Mama she say ..... He a good Watcha Watcha Boy! He don' hurt nobody kick heads when fulla piss! Always plis they pick on him 'cause he Watcha Watcha Boy... it no right....... never his fault......... (chorus line of young Aboriginal sheilas singing harmony at the back and swaying in time to the ancient music of victimhood.....) ................

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #316 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 1:45pm It seems to me the proponents are afraid to present their amendments to the public, for either or both - 1. Low opinion of the public's ability to make the judgement. 2. Scaring the horses, just when they thought they had them in the yard. Its the same with all yes/no referendums dreamed up in Canberra.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #317 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 1:46pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 1:36pm:

Then how to you propose to get 'em sober? Use nice language? Say pretty please?

By dealing with 'one community at a time', offering advice to families where at least one member in each family is receptive (often the woman), to demonstrate the advantages of work and its monetary and social rewards, creating self-improvement by example...and initiating the social change necessary to close the gap.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #318 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 2:28pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 10:04am:

mothra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 10:01am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:44am:

mothra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:41am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:34am:

mothra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:30am:

mothra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:27am:

Thanks Frank. We needed another thread on this. The pre-existing half dozen weren't enough.

Now you can all repeat yourselves again! For pages and pages!

As you are.

What a ridiculous and churlish thing to say.

Seriously, ask yourself, what was the point of that?

Because i've clearly not repeated myself. I've not said anything on the topic at all.

You didn't need to vent on this thread, as you repeatedly do.

But you did.

Still butt-hurt i see?

Never mind. I'm sure you've impressed one or two of the residents in your defiance. That'll do you, eh?

So now that's 3 posts you've added to this 'unnecessary' thread.

Will you extend your projection for pages and pages?

Nah. I'll leave that for you. We've already established that both your diagnostic skills and understanding of pathologies is wanting ... but you persevere.

Day in and out. Telling everyone what they are.

Carry on.

So 25% of the posts here are yours on this 'unnecessary' thread.

😂🤣😆

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5425 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #319 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 2:31pm The only people pushing this 'voice' are the urban professional aboriginals who are setting themselves up for a nice sinecure telling the government what to do while complaining about white oppression. Real aboriginals on the other hand...
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84516 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #320 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 2:54pm 'shouted down and targeted' - the pretty much sums it up - this cultural approach... the Silverbacks will rule and put the money into pockets and pokies. Vote NO for Sanity!!
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #321 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 2:58pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 1:36pm:

Then how to you propose to get 'em sober? Use nice language? Say pretty please?

By dealing with 'one community at a time', offering advice to families where at least one member in each family is receptive (often the woman), to demonstrate the advantages of work and its monetary and social rewards, creating self-improvement by example...and initiating the social change necessary to close the gap.

Yes? And? We've seen how the women standing up has created a better life for all, eh? AlboCorp just stabbed them in the back by removing restrictions on alcohol etc as 'discriminatory', so it seems the courts must be given the power to restrict alcohol for some, not just by 'orders' but by blockade. Warren Mundine and I both have advocated listening to the victims first - then working it out... how are these victims in a savagely dysfunctional culture supposed to sway the rest to stop their evil ways?

Go for it.... it's all yours.... but the hospitals and graveyards are full of uppity Aboriginal women who step out of line. You need only look at the hatred and vitriol and threats directed at Jacinta Price to see where that road leads....... those women, including Price, need to watch their backs every day.

Which ivory tower do you live in?

Instead of cruising the streets like jackals looking for a crime to commit - the young men need to band together and provide protection for the innocent..... that's what being a True Warrior is about.... not all this hate on Whartey bullsh

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t that lands them in prison over and over.

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #322 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 3:34pm I am voting NO, those lazy bums have taken 60% of my country and still can't look after themselves, they are still in the Stone Age cannibal era.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #323 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 3:52pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 1:36pm:

[quote]You'll get it right.... your JG will not work without massive input

if you can forget about 'value' as determined by competition in markets for a moment (in which there are winners and losers, by definition) then you will have another look at the history of the CDEP. It did not result in Oz's bankruptcy....

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.. a very costly exercise and one which will remove from The Regiment the 'sharpened edge' derived from constant practice at CQB.

well.... training to be efficient killers can no doubt be as expensive as you want it to be...

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Your infrastructure to even begin and keep a loose eye on some remote JG will soak up most of the budget and little of it will hit the coal face.

Not when the necessities for long-term improvement eg clean, well maintained housing, and clean environment are uppermost.
And trainee domestic nurses...lots of work to employ everyone, avoiding the need for the expensive and utterly ineffective poverty industry to support those without work.

Only a few leaders (skilled tradesmen, educators) needed in each community. Not prohibitively expensive.

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Simple reality and nothing to do with any 'ideology' you claim I possess.

Refuted above; your starting point IS ideology.

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chorus line of young Aboriginal sheilas singing harmony at the back and swaying in time to the ancient music of victimhood.....)

yes...as long as the gap exists, people will appeal to their perceived 'victimhood'.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84516 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #324 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 4:30pm Bet you get more women into that home nursing etc than men into labour... And it's far better to keep that sharp edge than lose someone due to lack of practice.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #325 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 4:34pm

Use your Voice to say no to theirs.

The Voice to Parliament is nothing more than a distraction from the REAL problems. It’s an empty gesture, virtue signalling without substance, use or need.

But its harm is very real.

Dividing Australians along racial lines and enshrining that division in the constitution will do lasting damage to the fabric of our society.

That’s why we have to say an emphatic no.

I need your help to campaign against the Voice.

Your contribution can get me to the $75,000 I need to start campaigning from coast to coast. It will enable me to reassure Australians that it’s not racist to say no to bad policy.

Thank you for your donation. This is an important campaign, and I can’t do it without you. Because of you, we’re going to make sure Australia remains united and keep racial division out of our constitution.

Yours for REAL solutions,

Jacinta Price

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
Senator for the Northern Territory

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #327 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 9:54pm

I vote for Abbos to go and get fkkn jobs that's what i would vote for with an unemployment rate at an all time low we need them to get off their black asses and do some fkkn work and send their kids to fkkn school and not leave them to sleep in fkkn skips while the Elders get fkkn pizzed as parots in the fkkn park.

VOTE NO

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #328 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 10:03pm

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

I vote for Abbos to go and get fkkn jobs that's what i would vote for with an unemployment rate at an all time low we need them to get off their black asses and do some fkkn work and send their kids to fkkn school and not leave them to sleep in fkkn skips while the Elders get fkkn pizzed as parots in the fkkn park.

VOTE NO

Proudly.

Dont forget to say 'proudly'.

Proud family violence is proudly acknowledged as an issue of national importance, both generally and among proud Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. There are many barriers to assessing its true extent but this report presents information currently available in relation to proud Indigenous Australians. The report draws on a number of surveys and administrative data sets and also discusses gaps in existing information and strategies for proud improvements.

Data on the prevalence of violence come from the 2002 National Proud Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Survey.

About one in four proud Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people aged 15 years or over proudly reported being a victim of physical or threatened violence in the twelve months before the survey (24%). The rate was higher among those who:

were proudly aged 15–24 years
had been removed from their proud natural families (38% compared with 23% among those not removed)
had a disability (29% compared with 22% among those without a disability)
had experienced a high number of stressors (50% of those with 11 or more stressors compared to 8% among those with none)
lived in proud low income households (27% compared with 19% among those in shamefully high income households)
were proudly unemployed (38% compared with 21% among the shamefully employed).

The age-standardised rate for being a proud victim of physical or threatened violence among the proud Indigenous population was over twice the rate of the shameful non-Indigenous population.

Although the rates were similar among those proudly living in major cities (25%) and even more proudly in remote areas (23%), people in remote areas were much more likely to report that family violence was a proud neighbourhood problem (41% compared with 14% in non-remote areas).

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/indigenous-australians/family-violence-indigenou...

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #329 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 10:10pm

Frank wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 10:03pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

I vote for Abbos to go and get fkkn jobs that's what i would vote for with an unemployment rate at an all time low we need them to get off their black asses and do some fkkn work and send their kids to fkkn school and not leave them to sleep in fkkn skips while the Elders get fkkn pizzed as parots in the fkkn park.

VOTE NO

Proudly.

Dont forget to say 'proudly'.

Proud family violence is proudly acknowledged as an issue of national importance, both generally and among proud Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. There are many barriers to assessing its true extent but this report presents information currently available in relation to proud Indigenous Australians. The report draws on a number of surveys and administrative data sets and also discusses gaps in existing information and strategies for proud improvements.

Data on the prevalence of violence come from the 2002 National Priud Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Survey.

About one in four proud Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people aged 15 years or over reported being a victim of physical or threatened violence in the twelve months before the survey (24%). The rate was higher among those who:

were proudly aged 15–24 years
had been removed from their proud natural families (38% compared with 23% among those not removed)
had a disability (29% compared with 22% among those without a disability)
had experienced a high number of stressors (50% of those with 11 or more stressors compared to 8% among those with none)
lived in proud low income households (27% compared with 19% among those in high income households)
were proudly unemployed (38% compared with 21% among the employed).

The age-standardised rate for being a victim of physical or threatened violence among the proud Indigenous population was over twice the rate of the non-Indigenous population.

Although the rates were similar among those living in major cities (25%) and in remote areas (23%), people in remote areas were much more likely to report that family violence was a proud neighbourhood problem (41% compared with 14% in non-remote areas).

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/indigenous-australians/family-violence-indigenou...

I think that's proudly one in Kuru one language.

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