City Aborigines rebuke Albo and Dreyfus and want to keep 'advice to executive government".



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“Proposing a constitutional amendment is the most serious decision a citizen can make in a democracy. Elections are only for three years, and constitutional amendments can be forever.

“It is only appropriate that the Australian people see the Solicitor-General’s advice on the Prime Minister’s current proposed question. I am writing to the Attorney-General asking that the Solicitor-General’s advice be ­released publicly.”

Using Mr Donaghue’s advice, Mr Dreyfus sought for the working group to consider an alternative to including the term “executive government” – which Mr Albanese proposed – in the referendum recommendations.

In its draft form, the proposed constitutional amendment that Australians will vote on later this year says the voice “may make representations to parliament and the executive government on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples”.

The referendum working group is set to lock in behind the “executive government” clause but it has become a growing political problem for Labor, with Liberal MPs and lawyers who support the principle of the voice pushing back.

Some Labor MPs are also concerned at the amount of time the campaign for the voice is occupying and fear a radical proposal will undermine the chance of the Yes campaign winning.

Critics of the executive government clause argue it should be removed to limit the scope for legal challenge to all decisions made by federal public servants in all ­departments and agencies.

Working group members rejected Mr Dreyfus’s plea and are set to lock in behind the inclusion of “executive government” in the wording of the referendum and coverage by voice representatives.

Working group member Rodney Dillon, chair of the Tasmanian Aboriginal Heritage Council, said on Friday he was sympathetic to Mr Dreyfus because “he is honestly trying and I give him full points for that”.

“Mr Dreyfus is trying to make it more palatable to the opposition,” Mr Dillon said. “He has got good intent and that’s why I’ll support him, but how many times do we satisfy the critics, the opposition?”

Fellow working group member Marcus Stewart, an elected leader of Victoria’s treaty process, said: “The issue for the opposition is that they want the voice to come with a mute button and that is not how a democracy works.”

Mr Dreyfus refused to comment on the report in The Australian on Friday but did not deny he had put an alternative proposal on executive government.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2023 at 2:01pm:


A sensible question, go to the top of the class!

The gap is both race-based AND socioeconomic.

Our initial task is to eliminate socio-economic  disadvantage among blacks, aka the gap ... though that term refers specifically to the BLACK gap.

And then move on to eradicating social-economic disadvantage, aka poverty, in the entire nation. 

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because an aboriginal voice must come to terms with the modern, money-based economy.

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Answered above: it's both race and socio economic, and both issues have to be dealt with at the same time. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 5:34pm:



What's the racial aspect and what's the socio-economic aspect? Where's the boundary?

What is it about the race that is not socio-economic and what is the limitation of the socio-economic for the particular Abiriginal  race at which point specific race based measures are needed?

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:


At 45 times more likely - they will be far more than half.... stop playing with those...... figures....

You never offer anything beyond pie in the sky - which school are you attending, again?

You keep wandering far away from the nuts and bolts of this 'voice' proposal..... the nuts are putting the idea forward and they are ready to bolt the moment the fat jobs are ready to be filled by them.... bolt into those comfy seats for life....

Typical Racist comment, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   

What's the racial aspect and what's the socio-economic aspect of the Gap that needs Closing? Where's the boundary?

What is it about Aboriginality that is not socio-economic and what is the limitation of the socio-economic for the particular Abiriginal race at which point specific Aboriginal (bot not Indian, African, Asian) race-based measures are needed?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 10:30pm:


So far I have been able to ascertain 10 women every day are hospitalized in Oz as a result of partner violence.

Now, given there are c.200K black women cf. c.13 million non black women in Oz, what would you estimate is the number of black women, in that total of 10 women hospitalized per day in Oz?

What exactly do you mean by 45 times more likely  = 5 black women per day hospitalized, which I conceded as a possibility.

[if anyone knows the actual figure, please link to it].   

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Let's stick with the figure at hand: how many of the 10 women in Oz hospitalized everyday by their partners are black, on average.

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That's because I want to close the gap - which is what the voice is SUPPOSED to be all about...

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Probably....

that's why we need to get rid of the poverty industry (euphemistically called 'social security'), and replace it with a Job Guarantee - for all...