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Reply #1080 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:12pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:31am:
What's the racial aspect and what's the socio-economic aspect of the Gap that needs Closing? Where's the boundary?


The racial aspect of "the gap that needs closing" applies to the survivors of the defunct h-g culture, in Oz.

The socio-economic aspect of the 'gap that needs closing' IS the socio-economic disadvantage which is manifested in the egregious socio-economic stats (related to black poverty) of the (black) gap.   

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What is it about Aboriginality that is not socio-economic


Note: 'socio-economic' combines concepts of both culture AND economics.

So your question is invalid because blacks possess a culture (partly eclipsed - the degree to which this has happened is disputed), as well as being subject to the current vicious/competitive market economy (with the poverty-level dole as the 'safety net', for all races).


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and what is the limitation of the socio-economic for the particular Abiriginal race at which point specific Aboriginal (bot not Indian, African, Asian) race-based measures are needed?


I have said before: when Aboriginal poverty exists at the same rate as poverty in the non-aboriginal population, ie the black gap has been eradicated.


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Reply #1081 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:18pm
 
Methra ran away in cyber fear 🥺😐😳

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10th, 2023 at 12:05pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2023 at 11:57am:
Anyone at all know from what age we lock up children?


How old were you when they locked you up Methra? Was it 11? 12? 13? I forgot. 😳😞🥺


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Reply #1082 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:24pm
 

Have a read of this on Aboriginal PERPETRATORS! The stats don’t lie!

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=933f2375eb92da963...


The whole farkkkking document is on Aboriginal offenders against women including Aboriginal women.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1083 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:41pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:12pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:31am:
What's the racial aspect and what's the socio-economic aspect of the Gap that needs Closing? Where's the boundary?


The racial aspect of "the gap that needs closing" applies to the survivors of the defunct h-g culture, in Oz.

The socio-economic aspect of the 'gap that needs closing' IS the socio-economic disadvantage which is manifested in the egregious socio-economic stats (related to black poverty) of the (black) gap.   

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What is it about Aboriginality that is not socio-economic


Note: 'socio-economic' combines concepts of both culture AND economics.

So your question is invalid because blacks possess a culture (partly eclipsed - the degree to which this has happened is disputed), as well as being subject to the current vicious/competitive market economy (with the poverty-level dole as the 'safety net', for all races).


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and what is the limitation of the socio-economic for the particular Abiriginal race at which point specific Aboriginal (bot not Indian, African, Asian) race-based measures are needed?


I have said before: when Aboriginal poverty exists at the same rate as poverty in the non-aboriginal population, ie the black gap has been eradicated.




Soooo.... there is an Aboriginal 'gap' but Aboriginality has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'. It's everybody else going it to them because they are Aborigines but only to 20 % of them, the other 80% manage ok. Why everyone is racist toward the 20%  but not the 80% remains a mystery.  So it's yeah but no but - plus job guarantee financed by fiat money.

Thank you Vicky Pollard.


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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1084 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 3:03pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:41pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:12pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:31am:
What's the racial aspect and what's the socio-economic aspect of the Gap that needs Closing? Where's the boundary?


The racial aspect of "the gap that needs closing" applies to the survivors of the defunct h-g culture, in Oz.

The socio-economic aspect of the 'gap that needs closing' IS the socio-economic disadvantage which is manifested in the egregious socio-economic stats (related to black poverty) of the (black) gap.   

Quote:
What is it about Aboriginality that is not socio-economic


Note: 'socio-economic' combines concepts of both culture AND economics.

So your question is invalid because blacks possess a culture (partly eclipsed - the degree to which this has happened is disputed), as well as being subject to the current vicious/competitive market economy (with the poverty-level dole as the 'safety net', for all races).


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and what is the limitation of the socio-economic for the particular Abiriginal race at which point specific Aboriginal (bot not Indian, African, Asian) race-based measures are needed?


I have said before: when Aboriginal poverty exists at the same rate as poverty in the non-aboriginal population, ie the black gap has been eradicated.




Soooo.... there is an Aboriginal 'gap' but Aboriginality has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.


Oh dear, another slow learner, consequent to the 'black- white' (....no grey)  conservative dichotomy. 

Aboriginality is related  to low economic outcomes because of socio economic factors, as described, resulting in systematic exclusion from employment, as the h-g economy was pushed aside without creation of an alternative employment model** (ie different from the h-g 'employment' model in which living and employment are one and the same). 


**appropriate for blacks making the transition to a money economy. 

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It's everybody else going it to them because they are Aborigines but only to 20 % of them, the other 80% manage ok. Why everyone is racist toward the 20%  but not the 80% remains a mystery.  So it's yeah but no but - plus job guarantee financed by fiat money.

Are you Vicky Pollard?


Thanks for mentioning her, she's priceless** - as is your clever imitation of her in the above paragraph. 

Answers:

1. generous, non-racist people in Oz want to close the gap.

2. the JG is financed by properly instituted and authorized treasury and central bank operations, the quantum of financing  determined by the electorate, not the dictates of f**kwit ossified central bankers whose "independence" is a ruse to allow politicians off the hook for the dysfunctional economy.

**she is a sad reflection of the effects of decades of institutionalised poverty on the young in Britain, the outcome of Thatcher's dysfunctional neoliberal  orthodoxy which enforces unending 'austerity' on government social policy. 
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Reply #1085 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:00pm
 
The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't.  They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

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Reply #1086 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:48pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:24pm:
Have a read of this on Aboriginal PERPETRATORS! The stats don’t lie!

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=933f2375eb92da963...

The whole farkkkking document is on Aboriginal offenders against women including Aboriginal women.



Oh, dearie, dearie, me, surely you have something more recent than 2010 to cite, Larry?  More over why are you relying on a foreign site when you can access the Institute of Criminology directly here in Oz?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #1087 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:52pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:00pm:
The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't.  They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".



They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren.  Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures.  Blacks nowadays are unwilling to recognise their traditional leaders.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #1088 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:00pm:
The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't.  They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".



They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren.  Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures.  Blacks nowadays are willing to recognise their traditional leaders.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You couldn't have espoused a bigger load of BS if you tried.

Most today who are claiming to be traditional leaders are so far from it it's not even humorous.

They never were & never will be.

You are such a lying wanker.

Aboriginal youth are running amok because they don't give a
f
uc
k
about tradition or traditional leaders.

And those that are classed as elders or traditional leaders are doing SFA to remedy the problem with their own youth because they are powerless.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1089 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:53pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:00pm:
The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't.  They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".



They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren.  Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures.  Blacks nowadays are willing to recognise their traditional leaders.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Stone Age is not coming back, Bbwian, FFS!   Talk about PALEO conservatism!!   You proggy idiots are more conservative than bloody Attila the Hun when it comes to keeping Aborigines in a petrified stone age.

Yes, the Stone Age ended in Australia in 1788.  How fkkn awful is that!! It coulda been CONSERVED for another 40 thousand years but for the dastardly white man.


If Aborigines do not want to be led into the 21st century then - what? How is that your responsibility, Bbwian?? What do YOU have to do with Aboriginal on Aboriginal abomination?






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Reply #1090 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:54pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:00pm:
The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't.  They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".



They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren.  Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures.  Blacks nowadays are willing to recognise their traditional leaders.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You couldn't have espoused a bigger load of BS if you tried.

Most today who are claiming to be traditional leaders are so far from it it's not even humorous.

They never were & never will be.

You are such a lying wanker.

Aboriginal youth are running amok because they don't give a
f
uc
k
about tradition or traditional leaders.

And those that are classed as elders or traditional leaders are doing SFA to remedy the problem with their own youth because they are powerless.


Ah, I mistyped.  I actually meant to type "unwilling" but mistakenly forgot the "un" prefix.  I have now corrected it, so you might want to actually address what I meant to say and please, refrain from any Racism because it just betrays your ignorance and lack of education.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1091 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:54pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:00pm:
The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't.  They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".



They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren.  Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures.  Blacks nowadays are willing to recognise their traditional leaders.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You couldn't have espoused a bigger load of BS if you tried.

Most today who are claiming to be traditional leaders are so far from it it's not even humorous.

They never were & never will be.

You are such a lying wanker.

Aboriginal youth are running amok because they don't give a
f
uc
k
about tradition or traditional leaders.

And those that are classed as elders or traditional leaders are doing SFA to remedy the problem with their own youth because they are powerless.


Ah, I mistyped.  I actually meant to type "unwilling" but mistakenly forgot the "un" prefix.  I have now corrected it, so you might want to actually address what I meant to say and please, refrain from any Racism because it just betrays your ignorance and lack of education.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Cheesy Cheesy
Yeah but no but yeah but no but.

If they are unwilling to listen to their OWN elders then what is the point of those elders? And what is the point of a Voice, made up of such 'elders'?





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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1092 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:07pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:54pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:00pm:
The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't.  They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".



They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren.  Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures.  Blacks nowadays are willing to recognise their traditional leaders.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You couldn't have espoused a bigger load of BS if you tried.

Most today who are claiming to be traditional leaders are so far from it it's not even humorous.

They never were & never will be.

You are such a lying wanker.

Aboriginal youth are running amok because they don't give a
f
uc
k
about tradition or traditional leaders.

And those that are classed as elders or traditional leaders are doing SFA to remedy the problem with their own youth because they are powerless.


Ah, I mistyped.  I actually meant to type "unwilling" but mistakenly forgot the "un" prefix.  I have now corrected it, so you might want to actually address what I meant to say and please, refrain from any Racism because it just betrays your ignorance and lack of education.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The only ignorant racist here is you.
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Reply #1093 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:08pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:54pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:00pm:
The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't.  They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".



They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren.  Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures.  Blacks nowadays are willing to recognise their traditional leaders.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You couldn't have espoused a bigger load of BS if you tried.

Most today who are claiming to be traditional leaders are so far from it it's not even humorous.

They never were & never will be.

You are such a lying wanker.

Aboriginal youth are running amok because they don't give a
f
uc
k
about tradition or traditional leaders.

And those that are classed as elders or traditional leaders are doing SFA to remedy the problem with their own youth because they are powerless.


Ah, I mistyped.  I actually meant to type "unwilling" but mistakenly forgot the "un" prefix.  I have now corrected it, so you might want to actually address what I meant to say and please, refrain from any Racism because it just betrays your ignorance and lack of education.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Cheesy Cheesy
Yeah but no but yeah but no but.

If they are unwilling to listen to their OWN elders then what is the point of those elders? And what is the point of a Voice, made up of such 'elders'?


It reinforces their position of authority, Soren.  You should be supporting it, it answers your calls for them to exercise their authority.  But of course, they can't do that without the Voice.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #1094 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:11pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:54pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:00pm:
The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't.  They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".



They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren.  Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures.  Blacks nowadays are willing to recognise their traditional leaders.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You couldn't have espoused a bigger load of BS if you tried.

Most today who are claiming to be traditional leaders are so far from it it's not even humorous.

They never were & never will be.

You are such a lying wanker.

Aboriginal youth are running amok because they don't give a
f
uc
k
about tradition or traditional leaders.

And those that are classed as elders or traditional leaders are doing SFA to remedy the problem with their own youth because they are powerless.


Ah, I mistyped.  I actually meant to type "unwilling" but mistakenly forgot the "un" prefix.  I have now corrected it, so you might want to actually address what I meant to say and please, refrain from any Racism because it just betrays your ignorance and lack of education.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The only ignorant racist here is you.


Unwilling to reconsider your ignorance or your Racism, hey, Gnads because you just love to insult and annoy your opponent?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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