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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1095 - Mar 13^th, 2023 at 6:18pm

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't. They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren. Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures. Blacks nowadays are willing to recognise their traditional leaders. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You couldn't have espoused a bigger load of BS if you tried.

Most today who are claiming to be traditional leaders are so far from it it's not even humorous.

They never were & never will be.

You are such a lying wanker.

Aboriginal youth are running amok because they don't give a

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about tradition or traditional leaders.

And those that are classed as elders or traditional leaders are doing SFA to remedy the problem with their own youth because they are powerless.

Ah, I mistyped. I actually meant to type "unwilling" but mistakenly forgot the "un" prefix. I have now corrected it, so you might want to actually address what I meant to say and please, refrain from any Racism because it just betrays your ignorance and lack of education. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yeah but no but yeah but no but.

If they are unwilling to listen to their OWN elders then what is the point of those elders? And what is the point of a Voice, made up of such 'elders'?

The point is the extra 2nd, 3rd or 4th voice will not be made up of representative elders.....

but unrepresentative unelected trough groveling swill.

Aboriginals in this country are vastly over represented to govt/parliament today..... without an extra voice being enshrined in our constitution based on race.

VOTE NO!!!!! to this abysmal duplication of representation being enshrined as an amendment to our constitution.

It's intent is dishonest & deceptive.

The result will be divisive & widen any ground towards reconciliation.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1096 - Mar 13^th, 2023 at 6:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't. They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren. Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures. Blacks nowadays are willing to recognise their traditional leaders. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You couldn't have espoused a bigger load of BS if you tried.

Most today who are claiming to be traditional leaders are so far from it it's not even humorous.

They never were & never will be.

You are such a lying wanker.

Aboriginal youth are running amok because they don't give a

f

uc

k

about tradition or traditional leaders.

And those that are classed as elders or traditional leaders are doing SFA to remedy the problem with their own youth because they are powerless.

Ah, I mistyped. I actually meant to type "unwilling" but mistakenly forgot the "un" prefix. I have now corrected it, so you might want to actually address what I meant to say and please, refrain from any Racism because it just betrays your ignorance and lack of education. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yeah but no but yeah but no but.

If they are unwilling to listen to their OWN elders then what is the point of those elders? And what is the point of a Voice, made up of such 'elders'?

It reinforces their position of authority, Soren. You should be supporting it, it answers your calls for them to exercise their authority. But of course, they can't do that without the Voice. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The voice is NOT Aboriginal facing, it is power facing.

The power will go to the useless, featherbedding Aboriginal activists and lawyers who already speak the political lingo, not to the brutalised women and delinquent kids.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1097 - Mar 14^th, 2023 at 7:39am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 6:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't. They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking - nobody dies that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

They are not leading because their people don't want to be led, Soren. Indigenous Australia tribal society has largely been broken by the intrusion of Whites into the land and the determined effort they made to overturn traditional authority structures. Blacks nowadays are willing to recognise their traditional leaders. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You couldn't have espoused a bigger load of BS if you tried.

Most today who are claiming to be traditional leaders are so far from it it's not even humorous.

They never were & never will be.

You are such a lying wanker.

Aboriginal youth are running amok because they don't give a

f

uc

k

about tradition or traditional leaders.

And those that are classed as elders or traditional leaders are doing SFA to remedy the problem with their own youth because they are powerless.

Ah, I mistyped. I actually meant to type "unwilling" but mistakenly forgot the "un" prefix. I have now corrected it, so you might want to actually address what I meant to say and please, refrain from any Racism because it just betrays your ignorance and lack of education. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The only ignorant racist here is you.

Unwilling to reconsider your ignorance or your Racism, hey, Gnads because you just love to insult and annoy your opponent? Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I've made quite a few posts with reasons as to why Aboriginals do not require "another" 2nd, 3rd or 4th voice to Parliament.

You're the ignoramus who continues to ignore all the evidence that Aboriginal Australians are vastly over represented in their ability to bring their issues/voice to Parliament compared to any other Australian.

Yet you think they should have yet another representative body imbedded in the constitution based solely on race....... that's racist & discriminatory.

We live in a representative democracy & you support undermining that with over representation for one racial minority over all other Australians ....... including yourself.

Insulting you is impossible but annoying you would be a bonus...... because you really are an idiot.

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3977 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1098 - Mar 14^th, 2023 at 7:48am Does everyone accept they rape babies? Babies and children are raped all the time. I have seen it. So who among you do not believe they ate them? They did.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1099 - Mar 14^th, 2023 at 12:59pm

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

Thanks for going straight to the source, re gap statistics.

"Socioeconomic outcome area 4

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children thrive in their early years"

The problem is: the poverty industry bureaucrats writing this stuff, and seeing the world through an obsolete neoclassical economics lens, take it for granted that white kids are "thriving in their early years".....whereas we know 1 in 6 kids in Oz are not thriving but living in poverty, and running amok in places like Mt Isa and Townsville.

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There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The question is: why do some black kids AND some white kids NOT access all those government services?

Answer: the poverty industry itself is a barrier.

So, rather than 'welfare' (a misnomer), we need jobs for all, since "the best form of welfare is a job"(... now who said that?....)

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The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't. They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking

Correct; unfortunately you can't lead a people demoralized by the crushing of their culture, and offered 'sit-down money' as compensation. It won't work, because 'sit-down money' won't fix the demoralization.

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- nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

"sit-down money" - as it applies to blacks - IS systemic racism , ie the system which uses the dole (and unemployment) to control wage inflation IS racist, because the people most badly affected are blacks (with unemployment rates double that of non blacks).

Whereas with regard to whites, the dole 'merely' entrenches systemic disadvantage among those forced onto the unemployment scrap heap.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1100 - Mar 14^th, 2023 at 3:21pm

Boris wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 7:48am:

Does everyone accept they rape babies?

Babies and children are raped all the time.

I have seen it.

So who among you do not believe they ate them?

They did.

On, dearie, dearie, me, Matty such a tired old refrain you sing all the time. Never a solution passes your fingertips, just endless criticism. Don't you get it? We all accept what your claim, its just excessive in the volume and a WOFTAM. There is never any evidence presented by you about your Cannibalism claims. I wonder why? Could it be because there isn't any? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24621 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1101 - Mar 14^th, 2023 at 5:16pm Brian and Boris are opposite ends of the same extreme. "Oh, aboriginal children are raped ALL the time!". "There has never been any evidence of cannibalism in Aboriginal culture".
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29297 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1102 - Mar 14^th, 2023 at 7:03pm UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 5:16pm: Brian and Boris are opposite ends of the same extreme. "Oh, aboriginal children are raped ALL the time!". "There has never been any evidence of cannibalism in Aboriginal culture". That's telling them
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1104 - Mar 14^th, 2023 at 8:40pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 12:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:00pm:

The gap is primarily in the NT and SA, among unemployable Aborigines.

https://www.pc.gov.au/closing-the-gap-data/dashboard?twclid=21faq2vod9a91m5m2pv8...

Thanks for going straight to the source, re gap statistics.

"Socioeconomic outcome area 4

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children thrive in their early years"

The problem is: the poverty industry bureaucrats writing this stuff, and seeing the world through an obsolete neoclassical economics lens, take it for granted that white kids are "thriving in their early years".....whereas we know 1 in 6 kids in Oz are not thriving but living in poverty, and running amok in places like Mt Isa and Townsville.

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There are thousands of Aboriginal- targeted education, housing, employment programs. Those who access them are lifted out of poverty, misery, unemployment. Those who don't aren't. Horse, water- water, horse.

The question is: why do some black kids AND some white kids NOT access all those government services?

Answer: the poverty industry itself is a barrier.

So, rather than 'welfare' (a misnomer), we need jobs for all, since "the best form of welfare is a job"(... now who said that?....)

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The Aboriginal elders and leaders on the ground should be leading their people. But they aren't. They are presiding over unspeakable degradation of Aborigines by other Aborigines. Rape, beating, theft, robbery, fighting, drinking

Correct; unfortunately you can't lead a people demoralized by the crushing of their culture, and offered 'sit-down money' as compensation. It won't work, because 'sit-down money' won't fix the demoralization.

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- nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

"sit-down money" - as it applies to blacks - IS systemic racism , ie the system which uses the dole (and unemployment) to control wage inflation IS racist, because the people most badly affected are blacks (with unemployment rates double that of non blacks).

Whereas with regard to whites, the dole 'merely' entrenches systemic disadvantage among those forced onto the unemployment scrap heap.

Today's word ( and with parrot, every day's word) is : waffle.

Automatic mindless fkkn waffle. On a fkkn loop.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1105 - Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:35pm

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 8:40pm:

Today's word ( and with parrot, every day's word) is : waffle.
Automatic mindless fkkn waffle. On a fkkn loop.

Ok, let's see if can gain your approval.....(cough)...

You said: "nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

What if I agree with that statement, by pointing out they do it because of total and utter demoralization, caused by ...what , exactly?

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Reply #1106 - Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:57pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 5:16pm:

Brian and Boris are opposite ends of the same extreme.

"Oh, aboriginal children are raped ALL the time!".

"There has never been any evidence of cannibalism in Aboriginal culture".

That's telling them Roll Eyes

Yeah, yeah. I am pointing out the obvious. But, those two do not seem to be cognizant of their behavioural traits.

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Reply #1107 - Mar 15^th, 2023 at 6:34am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 3:21pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 7:48am:

Does everyone accept they rape babies?

Babies and children are raped all the time.

I have seen it.

So who among you do not believe they ate them?

They did.

On, dearie, dearie, me, Matty such a tired old refrain you sing all the time. Never a solution passes your fingertips, just endless criticism. Don't you get it? We all accept what your claim, its just excessive in the volume and a WOFTAM. There is never any evidence presented by you about your Cannibalism claims. I wonder why? Could it be because there isn't any? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

There is plenty of evidence - historical accounts up to 1990 that dead babies would go "into the pot" - the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, said that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.
There are plenty of accounts by respected anthropologists about Aboriginal cannibalism, e.g. Elkin, Roth, and the two Berndts. Even Manning Clark attested to the practice.

But what about all the raped babies now?

you say nothing - I was there I saw it and I didn't see you.

They are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent crimes than non-aboriginals

There is no solution for their behaviour they will not behave - Lidia Thorpe will never behave - it in their DNA

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-08/aboriginal-people-20-times-more-likely-to...

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1108 - Mar 15^th, 2023 at 7:05am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:35pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 8:40pm:

Today's word ( and with parrot, every day's word) is : waffle.
Automatic mindless fkkn waffle. On a fkkn loop.

Ok, let's see if can gain your approval.....(cough)...

You said: "nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

What if I agree with that statement, by pointing out they do it because of total and utter demoralization, caused by ...what , exactly?

Let’s talk demoralisation for a moment. 6 million Jews were systematically murdered while their demoralised families were only allowed to watch. These demoralised families were dispossessed of their humanity and homeland and are still subject to a particular nasty form of racism. Today this demoralised remnant has become a self empowered community that’s a (global) force to be reckoned with.

Meantime .... NotsoGreat wants to to spend another entire day wanking online about a culture he knows nothing about except for what he has Googled. Idiot!

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1109 - Mar 15^th, 2023 at 7:13am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:35pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 8:40pm:

Today's word ( and with parrot, every day's word) is : waffle.
Automatic mindless fkkn waffle. On a fkkn loop.

Ok, let's see if can gain your approval.....(cough)...

You said: "nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

What if I agree with that statement, by pointing out they do it because of total and utter demoralization, caused by ...what , exactly?

personal choices? Roll Eyes

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