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Reply #105 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 4:27pm

Dear Frank,

I don’t want to be writing to you about this today. It makes me angry, scared and sick to think about. But this is what happens when you ignore the real problems in Indigenous communities.

My grandmother, an elder living at Yuendumu, one of the last of her generation who attended my swearing in to the Senate and performed the Mala Jukurrpa ceremony to pass onto me her authority to speak in Federal Parliament, was attacked by a younger woman.

She was beaten, her head was split open, and was taken to hospital covered in her own blood.

This is the “respect” paid to some elders.

My cousin’s four-year-old son has also been threatened with violence in Yuendumu. On countless occasions, people have threatened to stab a four-year-old.

But this violence is ignored by the self-appointed leaders of Yuendumu; at times, it’s even encouraged.

Imagine if this happened to your grandmother, or to an elderly person in your community.

Imagine if this happened in our PM’s electorate, in the leafy suburbs of Marrickville or Ashfield; it would be national news.

Imagine if this was a white offender who violated an Indigenous elder like this, and ask yourself if everyone would be so quiet then.

But because it’s in remote Australia, because it’s out of the inner cities, because it’s Aboriginal on Aboriginal violence, it’s not newsworthy. The mainstream media remain complicit in ignoring this violence while pandering to the offended.

It doesn’t fit the narrative of the mainstream media or left-wing politicians so they ignore it.

The violence has to stop and Australians across the country must demand better for grandmothers like mine who are out of sight and out of mind.

It’s not good enough that vulnerable Australian women, children and men suffer because their suffering makes a handful of people feel offended when it’s brought to their attention.

It’s not good enough to ignore the maimed and battered because privileged “First Nations” people feel uncomfortable about the reality of black on black violence.

Grandstanding over hurt feelings just ensures the violence continues.

I want the violence to STOP and I want communities to be safe. And the responsibility to ensure this happens falls on ALL Australians.

You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!

Listen to her VOICE!

Yours for REAL solutions,

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
Senator for the Northern Territory
14 Oct 2022

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #106 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:09pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

Dear Frank,

I don’t want to be writing to you about this today. It makes me angry, scared and sick to think about. But this is what happens when you ignore the real problems in Indigenous communities.

ie, the social dysfunction resulting from misplaced 'cultural' concerns, and the economic dysfunction resulting from erroneous economic orthodoxy.

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My grandmother, an elder living at Yuendumu, one of the last of her generation who attended my swearing in to the Senate and performed the Mala Jukurrpa ceremony to pass onto me her authority to speak in Federal Parliament, was attacked by a younger woman.

She was beaten, her head was split open, and was taken to hospital covered in her own blood.

This is the “respect” paid to some elders.

My cousin’s four-year-old son has also been threatened with violence in Yuendumu. On countless occasions, people have threatened to stab a four-year-old.

But this violence is ignored by the self-appointed leaders of Yuendumu; at times, it’s even encouraged.

Imagine if this happened to your grandmother, or to an elderly person in your community.

Imagine if this happened in our PM’s electorate, in the leafy suburbs of Marrickville or Ashfield; it would be national news.

Imagine if this was a white offender who violated an Indigenous elder like this, and ask yourself if everyone would be so quiet then.

But because it’s in remote Australia, because it’s out of the inner cities, because it’s Aboriginal on Aboriginal violence, it’s not newsworthy.The mainstream media remain complicit in ignoring this violence while pandering to the offended.

Yes, the mainstream media are complicit in this social and economic dysfunction, given the MSM's misplaced concerns about 'culture' and their capture by economic orthodoxy.

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It doesn’t fit the narrative of the mainstream media or left-wing politicians so they ignore it.

Actually that is a fair point; except of course the RW are content to blame blacks for their social and economic dysfunction and offer nothing except "lock'em up".

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The violence has to stop and Australians across the country must demand better for grandmothers like mine who are out of sight and out of mind.

Definitely. And how do we stop the violence?

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It’s not good enough that vulnerable Australian women, children and men suffer because their suffering makes a handful of people feel offended when it’s brought to their attention.

It’s not good enough to ignore the maimed and battered because privileged “First Nations” people feel uncomfortable about the reality of black on black violence.
Grandstanding over hurt feelings just ensures the violence continues.

I'm still in furious agreement, but can you (or Price) spot where I DON'T agree, above?

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I want the violence to STOP and I want communities to be safe. And the responsibility to ensure this happens falls on ALL Australians.

Still agree (.....), but HOW are all Australians to exercise this responsibility?

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You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!

Listen to her VOICE!

Yours for REAL solutions,

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
Senator for the Northern Territory
14 Oct 2022

To repeat my final question above: HOW are all Australians to exercise their responsibility to stop the violence and keep communities safe?

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #107 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:09pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

Dear Frank,

I don’t want to be writing to you about this today. It makes me angry, scared and sick to think about. But this is what happens when you ignore the real problems in Indigenous communities.

ie, the social dysfunction resulting from misplaced 'cultural' concerns, and the economic dysfunction resulting from erroneous economic orthodoxy.

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My grandmother, an elder living at Yuendumu, one of the last of her generation who attended my swearing in to the Senate and performed the Mala Jukurrpa ceremony to pass onto me her authority to speak in Federal Parliament, was attacked by a younger woman.

She was beaten, her head was split open, and was taken to hospital covered in her own blood.

This is the “respect” paid to some elders.

My cousin’s four-year-old son has also been threatened with violence in Yuendumu. On countless occasions, people have threatened to stab a four-year-old.

But this violence is ignored by the self-appointed leaders of Yuendumu; at times, it’s even encouraged.

Imagine if this happened to your grandmother, or to an elderly person in your community.

Imagine if this happened in our PM’s electorate, in the leafy suburbs of Marrickville or Ashfield; it would be national news.

Imagine if this was a white offender who violated an Indigenous elder like this, and ask yourself if everyone would be so quiet then.

But because it’s in remote Australia, because it’s out of the inner cities, because it’s Aboriginal on Aboriginal violence, it’s not newsworthy.The mainstream media remain complicit in ignoring this violence while pandering to the offended.

Yes, the mainstream media are complicit in this social and economic dysfunction, given the MSM's misplaced concerns about 'culture' and their capture by economic orthodoxy.

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It doesn’t fit the narrative of the mainstream media or left-wing politicians so they ignore it.

Actually that is a fair point; except of course the RW are content to blame blacks for their social and economic dysfunction and offer nothing except "lock'em up".

Quote:

The violence has to stop and Australians across the country must demand better for grandmothers like mine who are out of sight and out of mind.

Definitely. And how do we stop the violence?

Quote:

It’s not good enough that vulnerable Australian women, children and men suffer because their suffering makes a handful of people feel offended when it’s brought to their attention.

It’s not good enough to ignore the maimed and battered because privileged “First Nations” people feel uncomfortable about the reality of black on black violence.
Grandstanding over hurt feelings just ensures the violence continues.

I'm still in furious agreement, but can you (or Price) spot where I DON'T agree, above?

Quote:

I want the violence to STOP and I want communities to be safe. And the responsibility to ensure this happens falls on ALL Australians.

Still agree (.....), but HOW are all Australians to exercise this responsibility?

Quote:

You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!

Listen to her VOICE!

Yours for REAL solutions,

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
Senator for the Northern Territory
14 Oct 2022

To repeat my final question above: HOW are all Australians to exercise their responsibility to stop the violence and keep communities safe?

You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #108 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:36pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

I don’t want to be writing to you about this today. It makes me angry, scared and sick to think about. But this is what happens when you ignore the real problems in Indigenous communities.

My grandmother, an elder living at Yuendumu, one of the last of her generation who attended my swearing in to the Senate and performed the Mala Jukurrpa ceremony to pass onto me her authority to speak in Federal Parliament, was attacked by a younger woman.

She was beaten, her head was split open, and was taken to hospital covered in her own blood.

This is the “respect” paid to some elders.

My cousin’s four-year-old son has also been threatened with violence in Yuendumu. On countless occasions, people have threatened to stab a four-year-old.

If I were to guess, this is a power-struggle playing out.

Not all of her people are happy with her family's relative being elevated to national prominence and by that representing their community and clan.

The disgruntled wannabe (or actual on-the-ground) leaders have sent her a crude and animal message.

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Reply #109 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:41pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:09pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

Dear Frank,

I don’t want to be writing to you about this today. It makes me angry, scared and sick to think about. But this is what happens when you ignore the real problems in Indigenous communities.

ie, the social dysfunction resulting from misplaced 'cultural' concerns, and the economic dysfunction resulting from erroneous economic orthodoxy.

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My grandmother, an elder living at Yuendumu, one of the last of her generation who attended my swearing in to the Senate and performed the Mala Jukurrpa ceremony to pass onto me her authority to speak in Federal Parliament, was attacked by a younger woman.

She was beaten, her head was split open, and was taken to hospital covered in her own blood.

This is the “respect” paid to some elders.

My cousin’s four-year-old son has also been threatened with violence in Yuendumu. On countless occasions, people have threatened to stab a four-year-old.

But this violence is ignored by the self-appointed leaders of Yuendumu; at times, it’s even encouraged.

Imagine if this happened to your grandmother, or to an elderly person in your community.

Imagine if this happened in our PM’s electorate, in the leafy suburbs of Marrickville or Ashfield; it would be national news.

Imagine if this was a white offender who violated an Indigenous elder like this, and ask yourself if everyone would be so quiet then.

But because it’s in remote Australia, because it’s out of the inner cities, because it’s Aboriginal on Aboriginal violence, it’s not newsworthy.The mainstream media remain complicit in ignoring this violence while pandering to the offended.

Yes, the mainstream media are complicit in this social and economic dysfunction, given the MSM's misplaced concerns about 'culture' and their capture by economic orthodoxy.

Quote:

It doesn’t fit the narrative of the mainstream media or left-wing politicians so they ignore it.

Actually that is a fair point; except of course the RW are content to blame blacks for their social and economic dysfunction and offer nothing except "lock'em up".

Quote:

The violence has to stop and Australians across the country must demand better for grandmothers like mine who are out of sight and out of mind.

Definitely. And how do we stop the violence?

Quote:

It’s not good enough that vulnerable Australian women, children and men suffer because their suffering makes a handful of people feel offended when it’s brought to their attention.

It’s not good enough to ignore the maimed and battered because privileged “First Nations” people feel uncomfortable about the reality of black on black violence.
Grandstanding over hurt feelings just ensures the violence continues.

I'm still in furious agreement, but can you (or Price) spot where I DON'T agree, above?

Quote:

I want the violence to STOP and I want communities to be safe. And the responsibility to ensure this happens falls on ALL Australians.

Still agree (.....), but HOW are all Australians to exercise this responsibility?

Quote:

You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!

Listen to her VOICE!

Yours for REAL solutions,

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
Senator for the Northern Territory
14 Oct 2022

To repeat my final question above: HOW are all Australians to exercise their responsibility to stop the violence and keep communities safe?

You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!

I already agreed with that.

But do YOU agree with Price's comment that "the responsibility to ensure (ending the violence and making communities safe) falls on ALL Australians?

She of course hasn't explained how that responsibility is to be manifested/exercised, apart from facing up to the reality of black on black violence.... only the first step on the journey to closing the gap.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #110 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:46pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:41pm:

I already agreed with that.

But do YOU agree with Price's comment that "the responsibility to ensure (ending the violence and making communities safe) falls on ALL Australians?

Fine - then we'll send in the troops, the cops and the militia and the posse and sort 'em all out.... no worries ...

We, the ordinary Australians, can do nothing about the Indigenous killing and beating one another at will - we have no control over that and are not responsible...

Kaffir - heal thyself!

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Reply #111 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:41pm:

"the responsibility to ensure (ending the violence and making communities safe) falls on ALL Australians[/b]?

She of course hasn't explained how that responsibility is to be manifested/exercised, apart from facing up to the reality of black on black violence.... only the first step on the journey to closing the gap.

How it can be solved?

Power struggles of this sort, particularly within clannish and tribal peoples' communities, occur all over the world.

If her election to Parliament has caused a power imbalance within the clan, what can be done?

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Reply #113 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:21pm

Johnnie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:12pm:

Fkk the bludgers, when are they going to get off their backsides, get jobs and send their kids to school, that's what i would like to know, fkkn stone age inbred backward special mob.

Johnnie, you didn't reply to my proposition the Right is the evil party, for demanding to maximize their own share of the nation's output at the expense of the disadvantaged.

Unemployment (and especially black unemployment) is built into the present system, see the NAIRU (google it).

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Reply #114 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:29pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:41pm:

"the responsibility to ensure (ending the violence and making communities safe) falls on ALL Australians?

She of course hasn't explained how that responsibility is to be manifested/exercised, apart from facing up to the reality of black on black violence.... only the first step on the journey to closing the gap.

How it can be solved?

Power struggles of this sort....

Life in ghettos is violent, as observed by Trump himself (during the 2016 US election campaign (re black inner city ghettos):

"You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison, your schools and hospitals are broken...".

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particularly within clannish and tribal peoples' communities, occur all over the world.

yes...and even entire nations eg Haiti. The problem is not race, but poverty.

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If her election to Parliament has caused a power imbalance within the clan, what can be done?

That's not the problem.

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Reply #115 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:57pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:41pm:

"the responsibility to ensure (ending the violence and making communities safe) falls on ALL Australians?

She of course hasn't explained how that responsibility is to be manifested/exercised, apart from facing up to the reality of black on black violence.... only the first step on the journey to closing the gap.

How it can be solved?

Power struggles of this sort....

Life in ghettos is violent, as observed by Trump himself (during the 2016 US election campaign (re black inner city ghettos):

"You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison, your schools and hospitals are broken...".

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particularly within clannish and tribal peoples' communities, occur all over the world.

yes...and even entire nations eg Haiti. The problem is not race, but poverty.

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If her election to Parliament has caused a power imbalance within the clan, what can be done?

That's not the problem.

I can't know if the abuse meted out to her family is due to a power struggle within the community, but I do know that it happens when the power hierarchy in communities is disrupted.

It's why the whole idea of a singular voice for aboriginal people is ridiculous and antithetical to human nature. The notion makes making sweeping presumptions about ethnicity and its binding effect, without regard for the very human instinct towards hierarchies beyond ethnicity.

Power struggles within families or clans are ancient and common and are well-recorded in every human culture (even within oral traditions).

Peoples across the world even have their mythical gods scrapping it out.

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Reply #117 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 3:26pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:36pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

I don’t want to be writing to you about this today. It makes me angry, scared and sick to think about. But this is what happens when you ignore the real problems in Indigenous communities.

My grandmother, an elder living at Yuendumu, one of the last of her generation who attended my swearing in to the Senate and performed the Mala Jukurrpa ceremony to pass onto me her authority to speak in Federal Parliament, was attacked by a younger woman.

She was beaten, her head was split open, and was taken to hospital covered in her own blood.

This is the “respect” paid to some elders.

My cousin’s four-year-old son has also been threatened with violence in Yuendumu. On countless occasions, people have threatened to stab a four-year-old.

If I were to guess, this is a power-struggle playing out.

Not all of her people are happy with her family's relative being elevated to national prominence and by that representing their community and clan.

The disgruntled wannabe (or actual on-the-ground) leaders have sent her a crude and animal message.

Possible.
She is speaking out against some sort of Aboriginsl mafia. I wonder who the Aborigines against her are. Apart from Dylan Voller's family/clan.

What are the arguments against her? I have never seen any, only name calling.

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Reply #118 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 4:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

Johnnie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:12pm:

Fkk the bludgers, when are they going to get off their backsides, get jobs and send their kids to school, that's what i would like to know, fkkn stone age inbred backward special mob.

Johnnie, you didn't reply to my proposition the Right is the evil party, for demanding to maximize their own share of the nation's output at the expense of the disadvantaged.

Unemployment (and especially black unemployment) is built into the present system, see the NAIRU (google it).

No, black unenployment is due to them being lazy, the only time I ever seen them get off their backsides as one was during the pandemic panic era, they come out en masse then, in their tens of thousands in every city showing their hatred of whiteman, just like the Floyd mob, this is the sort of stuff the left incite

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Reply #119 - Oct 28^th, 2022 at 10:12am

I take a few months break and it seems you're all still the same racist cu

nts

as before...

I wonder if the same crowd is still calling for the genocide of Indigenous Australians or if the rank of those mouth-breathing oxygen thieves advocating for it has grown...

I still can't believe that is a view condoned by this place...

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