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Reply #1110 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:15am
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:13am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:35pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 8:40pm:
Today's word ( and with parrot, every day's word) is : waffle.
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Ok, let's see if can gain your approval.....(cough)...

You said: "nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

What if I agree with that statement, by pointing out they do it because of total and utter demoralization, caused by ...what , exactly?


personal choices?  Roll Eyes


I think we can safely say people don't CHOOSE to become totally and utterly demoralized.


Note: this is not the demoralization of eg, Nazi concentration camp guards, this is the demoralization from loss of self-esteem.
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Reply #1111 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:21am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:15am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:13am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:35pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 8:40pm:
Today's word ( and with parrot, every day's word) is : waffle.
Automatic mindless fkkn waffle.  On a fkkn loop.


Ok, let's see if can gain your approval.....(cough)...

You said: "nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

What if I agree with that statement, by pointing out they do it because of total and utter demoralization, caused by ...what , exactly?


personal choices?  Roll Eyes


I think we can safely say people don't CHOOSE to become totally and utterly demoralized.


Note: this is not the demoralization of eg, Nazi concentration camp guards, this is the demoralization from loss of self-esteem.

“Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning



Some things are within our power, while others are not. Within our power are opinion, motivation, desire, aversion, and, in a word, whatever is of our own doing; not within our power are our body, our property, reputation, office, and, in a word, whatever is not of our own doing.
- Epictetus


The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think and what you do is who you become.
- Heraclitus




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Reply #1112 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:32am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:05am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:35pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 8:40pm:
Today's word ( and with parrot, every day's word) is : waffle.
Automatic mindless fkkn waffle.  On a fkkn loop.


Ok, let's see if can gain your approval.....(cough)...

You said: "nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

What if I agree with that statement, by pointing out they do it because of total and utter demoralization, caused by ...what , exactly?


Let’s talk demoralisation for a moment. 6 million Jews were systematically murdered while their demoralised families were only allowed to watch.


Their families were not demoralized, note my comment that the demoralization of Nazi death-camp guards is not equivalent to the loss of self-esteem caused by total defeat of one's culture/way of life.

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These demoralised families were dispossessed of their humanity and homeland and are still subject to a particular nasty form of racism.


Correct, but they never lost their self-esteem (though some did lose their faith in God....) 

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Today this demoralised remnant has become a self empowered community that’s a (global) force to be reckoned with.


Yes, and addressed above: self esteem maintained by the survivors of a 4 year holocaust, cf. total demoralization of loss of culture over 2 centuries of cultural displacement and economic destruction.

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Meantime .... NotsoGreat wants to to spend another entire day wanking online about a culture he knows nothing about except for what he has Googled. Idiot!


I think that is what is known as a gratuitous ad hominem attack. 

Whereas if I say your vicious, "deplorable" survival of the fittest/individual sovereignty ideology is destructive and delusional, it is not a gratuitous attack, but a reasoned one.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1113 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:37am
 
Boris wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:34am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 3:21pm:
On, dearie, dearie, me, Matty such a tired old refrain you sing all the time.  Never a solution passes your fingertips, just endless criticism.  Don't you get it?  We all accept what your claim, its just excessive in the volume and a WOFTAM.  There is never any evidence presented by you about your Cannibalism claims.  I wonder why?  Could it be because there isn't any?   Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


There is plenty of evidence - historical accounts up to 1990 that dead babies would go "into the pot" - the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, said that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.


Prove it, Matty, quote this learned man.  Whats the betting you won't because you can't.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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There are plenty of accounts by respected anthropologists about Aboriginal cannibalism, e.g. Elkin, Roth, and the two Berndts. Even Manning Clark attested to the practice.


As I and others have shown, all your quotes refer early the last century, rather than modern times.  It seems you seem to think people never chance, what does that demonstrate about your thinking, Matty?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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But what about all the raped babies now?

you say nothing - I was there I saw it and I didn't see you.


Because I am not disputing those comments, Matty.  You seem unable to understand an argument.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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They are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent crimes than non-aboriginals


All Indigenous Australians, Matty?  What about the thousands who live in modern Australian cities around the country?  You are being Racist.  Most Indigenous Australians are law-abiding, peace-loving people.  Time you learnt to differentiate, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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There is no solution for their behaviour they will not behave - Lidia Thorpe will never behave - it in their DNA


Funny, there seems to be thousands of them who have learnt to be peaceful, to be law-abiding, to be good people, Matty.  You're a Racist, pure and simple.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1114 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:40am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:32am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:05am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:35pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 8:40pm:
Today's word ( and with parrot, every day's word) is : waffle.
Automatic mindless fkkn waffle.  On a fkkn loop.


Ok, let's see if can gain your approval.....(cough)...

You said: "nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

What if I agree with that statement, by pointing out they do it because of total and utter demoralization, caused by ...what , exactly?


Let’s talk demoralisation for a moment. 6 million Jews were systematically murdered while their demoralised families were only allowed to watch.


Their families were not demoralized, note my comment that the demoralization of Nazi death-camp guards is not equivalent to the loss of self-esteem caused by total defeat of one's culture/way of life.

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These demoralised families were dispossessed of their humanity and homeland and are still subject to a particular nasty form of racism.


Correct, but they never lost their self-esteem (though some did lose their faith in God....) 

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Today this demoralised remnant has become a self empowered community that’s a (global) force to be reckoned with.


Yes, and addressed above: self esteem maintained by the survivors of a 4 year holocaust, cf. total demoralization of loss of culture over 2 centuries of cultural displacement and economic destruction.

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Meantime .... NotsoGreat wants to to spend another entire day wanking online about a culture he knows nothing about except for what he has Googled. Idiot!


I think that is what is known as a gratuitous ad hominem attack. 

Whereas if I say your vicious, "deplorable" survival of the fittest/individual sovereignty ideology is destructive and delusional, it is not a gratuitous attack, but a reasoned one.



OMG! You’re a bona fide Anti Semitic POS!

Who do you think you are to make ANY call on the self esteem levels of 6 million murdered Jews and/or their families who escaped the physical trauma and torture but not the enormity of the mental agony and legacy of it all?

And I’m struggling to comprehend the little you appear to know about modern or ancient history. Right now I suspect that you deliberately ethnically cleansed the Jews out of your sanitized and depraved version of history so as to minimise the very existence of the Jews.

Dear God you are beyond help!

You have absolutely no shred of credibility left Groggy/Bwian. Not even under that idiotic id!



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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1115 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 11:02am
 
Larry, I am unsure why you suggest I am Greatdivide or Greggy?  How are your questions of Freediver going?  Ready to admit that I only use the one userID?  You really do appear to be suffering from a mental illness.  It's called Paranoia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... 
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #1116 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:01pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:40am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:32am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:05am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:35pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1664785669/1104#1104 date=1678790428]Today's word ( and with parrot, every day's word) is : waffle.
Automatic mindless fkkn waffle.  On a fkkn loop.


Ok, let's see if can gain your approval.....(cough)...

You said: "nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

What if I agree with that statement, by pointing out they do it because of total and utter demoralization, caused by ...what , exactly?


Let’s talk demoralisation for a moment. 6 million Jews were systematically murdered while their demoralised families were only allowed to watch.


Their families were not demoralized, note my comment that the demoralization of Nazi death-camp guards is not equivalent to the loss of self-esteem caused by total defeat of one's culture/way of life.

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These demoralised families were dispossessed of their humanity and homeland and are still subject to a particular nasty form of racism.


Correct, but they never lost their self-esteem (though some did lose their faith in God....) 

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Today this demoralised remnant has become a self empowered community that’s a (global) force to be reckoned with.


Yes, and addressed above: self esteem maintained by the survivors of a 4 year holocaust, cf. total demoralization of loss of culture over 2 centuries of cultural displacement and economic destruction.

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Meantime .... NotsoGreat wants to to spend another entire day wanking online about a culture he knows nothing about except for what he has Googled. Idiot!


I think that is what is known as a gratuitous ad hominem attack. 

Whereas if I say your vicious, "deplorable" survival of the fittest/individual sovereignty ideology is destructive and delusional, it is not a gratuitous attack, but a reasoned one.


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OMG! You’re a bona fide Anti Semitic POS!


That's what deluded  RW/mainstream ideologues in British Labour said about Jeremy Corbyn; I'll take your slur as a badge of honour. Defending Palestinians against vicious Israeli paranoia always elicits cries of antisemitism from RW ideologues.  

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Who do you think you are to make ANY call on the self esteem levels of 6 million murdered Jews and/or their families who escaped the physical trauma and torture but not the enormity of the mental agony and legacy of it all?


Here we go; ....fake outrage in spades. 

Extinction at the hands of a murderous ideology doesn't destroy the SELF-esteem of the survivors - witness Palestinians taking their case for a Palestinian state all the way to the UN, their self-esteem is intact. Same  for Jews who survived the holocaust, those who maintained their sanity also maintained their self-esteem. 

Whereas the 2-century-long creeping destruction of the Oz h-g culture did destroy morale, being more insidious for the natives - there was limited actual direct murder of blacks (disease was more deadly), just creeping dispossession of the h-g culture.  Some are still fighting to reclaim that lost culture - an impossibility.   

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And I’m struggling to comprehend the little you appear to know about modern or ancient history. Right now I suspect that you deliberately ethnically cleansed the Jews out of your sanitized and depraved version of history so as to minimise the very existence of the Jews.


Refuted above. 

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Dear God you are beyond help!


whereas I recall hearing one Jew who survived the holocaust, who said "there is no God....."

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You have absolutely no shred of credibility left Groggy/Bwian. Not even under that idiotic id!


The moralizing of the simple-minded, blind RW ideologue, incapable of understanding the awful complexities of life; you are not qualified to adjudicate between Palestinians and Jews.

See UN resolutions 181 and 242.



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Reply #1117 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:05pm
 
Give 'em all a job where there's no mandatory work and that'll solve all their problems since those are based on poverty... not based on the way they choose to spend their money, eh?

Again - I live in THE lowest household income village in NSW - (our net worth is in the fish, prawns and crabs caught - sandy beaches, drinking rum every night) our crime rate is so close to zero you never notice it... it could actually be negative given that Brian and I cut the village grass for free at times... though some wankers reckon that's a crime... must be robbing the invisible council workers of a job, eh?
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Reply #1118 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:14pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:05pm:
Give 'em all a job where there's no mandatory work and that'll solve all their problems since those are based on poverty... not based on the way they choose to spend their money, eh?

Again - I live in THE lowest household income village in NSW - (our net worth is in the fish, prawns and crabs caught - sandy beaches, drinking rum every night) our crime rate is so close to zero you never notice it... it could actually be negative given that Brian and I cut the village grass for free at times... though some wankers reckon that's a crime... must be robbing the invisible council workers of a job, eh?


Oh, so you do go yabbying, eh?

So where's your Boong?
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Reply #1119 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:25pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 11:02am:
Larry, I am unsure why you suggest I am Greatdivide or Greggy?  How are your questions of Freediver going?  Ready to admit that I only use the one userID?  You really do appear to be suffering from a mental illness.  It's called Paranoia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... 




great divide is still trying to close his own gaps ... greggy is a clear peccator....
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Reply #1120 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:27pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:14pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:05pm:
Give 'em all a job where there's no mandatory work and that'll solve all their problems since those are based on poverty... not based on the way they choose to spend their money, eh?

Again - I live in THE lowest household income village in NSW - (our net worth is in the fish, prawns and crabs caught - sandy beaches, drinking rum every night) our crime rate is so close to zero you never notice it... it could actually be negative given that Brian and I cut the village grass for free at times... though some wankers reckon that's a crime... must be robbing the invisible council workers of a job, eh?


Oh, so you do go yabbying, eh?

So where's your Boong?


Local water police pulled him out of the water.. the sergeant asked what I wanted to do with him.... I thought for a minute, all sad, and said - "Well, you blokes did all the work - you keep four of the lobsters sticking to him and I'll just take one... then throw the bait back, will you?  Same spot .... plenty of crays there..."
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Reply #1121 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:31pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:05pm:
Give 'em all a job where there's no mandatory work and that'll solve all their problems since those are based on poverty... not based on the way they choose to spend their money, eh?


I'll be attending a lecture by a professor who has studied the former CDEP and its outcomes etc.....I'll report back in due course.

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Again - I live in THE lowest household income village in NSW - (our net worth is in the fish, prawns and crabs caught - sandy beaches, drinking rum every night) our crime rate is so close to zero you never notice it... it could actually be negative given that Brian and I cut the village grass for free at times... though some wankers reckon that's a crime... must be robbing the invisible council workers of a job, eh?


Well ...depending on the unemployment rate in your village,  cutting the village grass might be a good JG job.....and you will have more free time to go fishing....


But not everyone is living on the coast -  with access to "free" sea food.
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Reply #1122 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:38pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:14pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:05pm:
Give 'em all a job where there's no mandatory work and that'll solve all their problems since those are based on poverty... not based on the way they choose to spend their money, eh?

Again - I live in THE lowest household income village in NSW - (our net worth is in the fish, prawns and crabs caught - sandy beaches, drinking rum every night) our crime rate is so close to zero you never notice it... it could actually be negative given that Brian and I cut the village grass for free at times... though some wankers reckon that's a crime... must be robbing the invisible council workers of a job, eh?


Oh, so you do go yabbying, eh?

So where's your Boong?


Local water police pulled him out of the water.. the sergeant asked what I wanted to do with him.... I thought for a minute, all sad, and said - "Well, you blokes did all the work - you keep four of the lobsters sticking to him and I'll just take one... then throw the bait back, will you?  Same spot .... plenty of crays there..."


Good to see your sense of humour is intact - including the gap in the divide...
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Reply #1123 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:39pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:15am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:13am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:35pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 8:40pm:
Today's word ( and with parrot, every day's word) is : waffle.
Automatic mindless fkkn waffle.  On a fkkn loop.


Ok, let's see if can gain your approval.....(cough)...

You said: "nobody does that to his own people because of "systemic racism".

What if I agree with that statement, by pointing out they do it because of total and utter demoralization, caused by ...what , exactly?


personal choices?  Roll Eyes


I think we can safely say people don't CHOOSE to become totally and utterly demoralized.


Note: this is not the demoralization of eg, Nazi concentration camp guards, this is the demoralization from loss of self-esteem.



Sorry but yes they do. All the assistance in the world & still not good enough for over 60 years.

You are simply delusional as to why this continues.
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Reply #1124 - Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:43pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:14pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 6:05pm:
Give 'em all a job where there's no mandatory work and that'll solve all their problems since those are based on poverty... not based on the way they choose to spend their money, eh?

Again - I live in THE lowest household income village in NSW - (our net worth is in the fish, prawns and crabs caught - sandy beaches, drinking rum every night) our crime rate is so close to zero you never notice it... it could actually be negative given that Brian and I cut the village grass for free at times... though some wankers reckon that's a crime... must be robbing the invisible council workers of a job, eh?


Oh, so you do go yabbying, eh?

So where's your Boong?



What do you do?.... except provide sarcastic & irrelevant relief.

Purse your lips ...no?
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