Australian Politics Forum - The Aboriginal Voice referendum

Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83830 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1260 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 5:28pm Well - any voice and recognition are two different things..... putting them together is a fraud. It's recognised you were here first - that was long ago - things are different now - MOVE ON!
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83830 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1261 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 5:31pm 'work in conjunction with other groups' - i.e. none of the current free rides will be abolished.... Jobs For Abos Only. Massive duplication, no real work, and no change of any kind.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1262 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 5:41pm

"1. There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;

2. The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;

3. The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures."

There are already countless bodies - none of those will be disbanded.. this will just be another bureaucracy that will expand and expand. It will be totally Aboriginal only and there are no equivalent bodies to represent anyone else.

They can make representations already, same as anyone else. If they want a lobby group, they can pay for it like everyone else.

The Parliament can, at any time, make amendments to any 'voice - including composition, functions, POWERS and procedures.

POWERS YOU SAY??? What powers?

I'm voting no.... nothing has been presented to alter that.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1263 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 5:51pm

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what "Power"? The Voice is a purely advisory body, it has no real power, except what the High Court accords to it as a part of the Constitution,

And what power will that be?

To advise, you silly sausage, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83830 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1264 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 6:19pm You don't need power to advise - you just do it. Nah then - what was that Langton comment about a voice without powers being a paper tiger?
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1265 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 6:47pm

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 2:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 12:46pm:

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese announces proposed Indigenous Voice to Parliament question wording

Voice to Parliament referendum question and constitutional amendment announced Cool

Did @PaulineHansonOz just expose the agenda of the Voice?

10% of Judiciary, military & police etc to be indigenous. Rivers, steams, beaches & mines returned to indigenous tribes. The Voice to analyse & review all government appointments, policies & legislation - and more …
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheCynicalHun/status/1638707477280854016

Truly exposes the SJW leftoids here with their....

"it's only issues that relate to Aborignals Australians"..... " it won't have any effect on non Aboriginal Australians".

Always was - always will be - a god damned lie.

If there ever was a concern about my support for a Labor govt .... it wasn't this. I despised the LNP, their policies & attacks on Unions & workers.

But it is now ... more than ever... the these woke Labor mother

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need the arse.

They are committing political suicide by guilt & woke stupidity.

The Voice & the NIAA have to be scrapped.

It's the most divisive idea & agency ever inspired.

Reconciliation?

You have to be joking. Needs to be severed at the head.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1266 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 6:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 3:12pm:

Hansonite alarmism. Canspiracynut bullshit... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

It's not bullshyte when the Libs have struck a deal with Labor to support this divisive crap.

There can be no deals done to make this acceptable for all Australians.

You're just a gullible leftiod

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1267 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 6:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 4:10pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 3:54pm:

The Voice - the Referendum Divides Australia.
It will be roughly 50/50 and if it passes about half of Australians will hate the other half.
Great leadership is about bringing the Country together not splitting it up.
Shame Labor Shame

Bullshit, Matty, pure and utter, Bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Not so ... you're the one full of bullshyte for supporting this tripe.

Advisory? my backside .... the rubbish is comming to fore with actions by Aboriginal groups with Native Title claims.

Already locking people out in populated areas over strips of land they can't do anything with...

out of spite & divisiveness ...

dare I say "racism".

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1268 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what "Power"? The Voice is a purely advisory body, it has no real power, except what the High Court accords to it as a part of the Constitution,

And what power will that be?

To advise, you silly sausage, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are naive..you silly sausage Bwyan. Tsk, tsk, tsk..... Roll Eyes

Moron.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1269 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what "Power"? The Voice is a purely advisory body, it has no real power, except what the High Court accords to it as a part of the Constitution,

And what power will that be?

To advise, you silly sausage, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

And what role would the High Court have in that advising?

What's the word for an ignored Voice advice? It's 'highcourtcase'. A word we would hear very often.

Aborigines should have NO special, constitutionally sanctioned access to parliament and government. They had NO sovereignty before 1788. The whole First Nations and Aboriginal sovereignty campaign is an anachronistic retro- fitting of Stone Age tribes and clans to be invented as co-sovereign. The concept or word exists nowhere in any Aboriginal language. Nor do words and concepts like constitution, parliament, high court, executive government.

There is absolutely nothing Aboriginal about ANY of this BS. It is all, entirely, an appropriation of British concepts, shoehorning primitive Stone Age Dreamtime into modern European jurisprudence.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1270 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:09pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 6:47pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 2:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 12:46pm:

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese announces proposed Indigenous Voice to Parliament question wording

Voice to Parliament referendum question and constitutional amendment announced Cool

Did @PaulineHansonOz just expose the agenda of the Voice?

10% of Judiciary, military & police etc to be indigenous. Rivers, steams, beaches & mines returned to indigenous tribes. The Voice to analyse & review all government appointments, policies & legislation - and more …
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheCynicalHun/status/1638707477280854016

Truly exposes the SJW leftoids here with their....

"it's only issues that relate to Aborignals Australians"..... " it won't have any effect on non Aboriginal Australians".

Always was - always will be - a god damned lie.

If there ever was a concern about my support for a Labor govt .... it wasn't this. I despised the LNP, their policies & attacks on Unions & workers.

But it is now ... more than ever... the these woke Labor mother

f

uc

k

er

s

need the arse.

They are committing political suicide by guilt & woke stupidity.

The Voice & the NIAA have to be scrapped.

It's the most divisive idea & agency ever inspired.

Reconciliation?

You have to be joking. Needs to be severed at the head.

It will divide Australians irreconcilably, no matter which way the vote goes.

For that alone Elmer Fudd Tennis Albo will live in infamy in Australian history. As will Dutton if he joins Albo and endorses the Vice.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1271 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:20pm

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what "Power"? The Voice is a purely advisory body, it has no real power, except what the High Court accords to it as a part of the Constitution,

And what power will that be?

To advise, you silly sausage, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

And what role would the High Court have in that advising?

It stops idiot Tories from passing legislation that unfairly targets Indigenous Australians, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1272 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:20pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what "Power"? The Voice is a purely advisory body, it has no real power, except what the High Court accords to it as a part of the Constitution,

And what power will that be?

To advise, you silly sausage, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

And what role would the High Court have in that advising?

It stops idiot Tories from passing legislation that unfairly targets Indigenous Australians, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Name one such legislation, spineless hypochrite.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1273 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:20pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what "Power"? The Voice is a purely advisory body, it has no real power, except what the High Court accords to it as a part of the Constitution,

And what power will that be?

To advise, you silly sausage, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

And what role would the High Court have in that advising?

It stops idiot Tories from passing legislation that unfairly targets Indigenous Australians, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You truly are an imbecile.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1274 - Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 7:31pm

So now AlboGov is going to guarantee us that the 'voice' has no power of veto etc - but then, in the same breath, says that the high court will determine what its POWERS are.

What powers were those again?

Well - there's no way I'm voting for such an open-ended nonsense, where both government and high court can just change the rules at any time as they see fit. One of the 'guarantees' of this 'voice' was that it would never be available for lawfare..... well - that's another lie shown for what it is.

The NO vote doesn't have to sink the 'voice' - the YES mob are doing a fine job of it for themselves.

Vote for it and you are a complete fool.

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