Johnnie wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 4:09pm:


Typical conservative filth, blaming poverty on its victims rather than on the system responsible for entrenching poverty.

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RW ideology certainly blinds its followers...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 29^th, 2022 at 3:56pm:


It has everything to do with WHY the voice is - mistakenly - being proposed. 

..which is a broken dysfunctional economic system favoring the most competitive in dog eat dog neoliberal markets.

As for the Voice:-

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2022 at 1:09pm:


And why do you think that would magically happen?  All parties will just come together in peace and brotherhood and genuine truthtelling and just sort everything out?

I'd Like To See That!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 29^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:


You were part of the conversation, don't you remember?

Boris was advocating for the army to enter the Alice and shoot them on sight.

You were cheering it on, then calling for indigenous Australians to be tagged like animals and moved into a reserve where they could be re-educated and locked away.

And of course, you both, and those like you, couldn't help but use a variety of racial slurs in the process.

Your insecurity was on display for all to see.

You're both, and those like you, sh stains on humanity that would be better left out of our gene pool.

You can choose how, a long and lonely life alone where you can't cause harm, or simply end it now.  I don't care.

You're both, and those like you, jokingly or seriously advocating for these atrocities based purely on race, you're utter scum, and the rules of common decency don't apply to you, you've opped out, so save me your snowflake victim reactions.

So fu you both, and those like you.  Rona missed a great opportunity with you.

And fu this place for condoning the terrible thing you've advocated for, and continue to.

I'm not going through every thread I've missed, but what little I've looked at, it's all the same bullshit packaged up in different talking points...

Are you that threatened by the notion of closing the gap and recognising the people who were here before us that you have to go full-blown racist, again?

Don't bother answering, we know the truth.

The Financial Review's legal editor Michael Pelly says the Australian people
will be unlikely to vote "yes" without a clear idea about how the Voice will work.

Indigenous academic Marcia Langton says such questions are answered by
her 2021 co-design report co-authored with former Indigenous social justice
commissioner Tom Calma. But with that document running to almost 300
complex pages, it falls short of an easily digestible blueprint.

Giving voters more confidence about what they are voting for also calls for
clarity about what issues the Voice will have a say on. Radical activist talk,
echoed by the far-left Australian Greens, about indigenous truth commissions,
treaties, reparations, and sovereignty will also turn off mainstream voters.

It remains unclear exactly how creating an advisory committee in Canberra
will materially improve the situation in remote Indigenous homelands that
lack the economic base that all functional communities require.

That is the essential point made in the maiden speech of Voice opponent,
Jacinta Price, the first indigenous woman elected to parliament, who warns
that a symbolic gesture could end up deepening the divide between
indigenous and non-indigenous Australians.

It's reasonable for voters to ask Voice proponents to set out the basic structure
of this new political institution and how it will work to alleviate indigenous
disadvantage, before it's permanently enshrine in the Australian Constitution.

I've yet to see any accessible, simple documentation setting out the makeup,
authority, structure, governance, or commissions of this Voice proposal, other
than this vague document which contains too many 'coulds'  and not enough
'woulds' for my liking.  It seems that thus far, not much actual, real time wording
on its content has been formalised. 

Why would I—as a 4th generation Aussie—be likely to vote "yes" on such a flimsy
proposal that would seriously and permanently alter our constitution?

Footnote:  Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO says Jacinta Price is right. The Voice
to Parliament is going to be a massive expensive bureaucratic structure which
will do nothing for the safety and living standards of indigenous Australians. We
have indigenous voices, they're called Aboriginal parliamentarians. 
[And yes, there are eleven currently.]

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 1^st, 2022 at 8:30am:


No it's not. Separate re-education camps are necessary in Xinjiang where separate terrorist fundamentalists are a threat to community wellbeing.

Guaranteeing employment to eradicate poverty ghettos in Oz, via state intervention (including with education) to eliminate the gap is another matter altogether.

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Bad idea, we want an integrated modern community in which all can participate, in Oz.

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Well - endless confusion and trouble, yes.