Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 1
st, 2023 at 1:31pm:
"To create jobs - determined as useful by the local council, when the private sector fails to employ all the available labour."
So the 'authorities' just get to create these jobs, real or not, deem them as 'useful' without so much as a by your leave from the constituency, pay for them out of the consolidated revenue and holdings of that constituency, and simply give them tho whoever they wish?
These issues have been covered in the Job Guarantee thread, begun by Freediver (... he hoped to expose the impracticality of the JG, but was unable to do so...haven't heard from him since).
the JG is organized at the local council level, with local unemployed presenting for work deemed useful by the local community, with wages funded by the central (national) government.
Quote:Do you not see the inherent danger in this?
No, I see the social catastrophe emanating from the current poverty industry with its poverty level dole.
Quote: Of government at any level getting to make all the decisions without reference to the people? It's called dictatorship or despotism.
Addressed above; local communities addressing local needs via the local council (ie local government) is not despotism.
Quote:Do you not see yet that sound economics depends on disparities in incomes, whether that be national or international?
I see it quite clearly: what I am requiring of a
functional economy is an above poverty minimum wage. Understand?
Quote:How many times must I explain to you that the moment the cost of labour worldwide is the same - the alleged working man communist dream - all trade will cease since there is nothing to be gained, and we will be back to trading fish for vegetables at the market.
Addressed and refuted above; I hope you can now see your error.
As for the world, there exists sufficient food and materials to eradicate poverty - the neoliberal distribution and reward system is f**ked.
Quote:If every worker at Forlden Cars in Thailand or whatever earned the same as a car builder in Australia - what use is there in shifting to Thailand at all, since all the buyer here would do is pay for freight extra and profit as well while national income levels actually decrease and only the thieves and bandits earn heaps, and only a fool would enter such a deal? How can you not see that these very things - by increasing demand for wages to keep up, and for incomes to keep up in those countries from which these industries have shifted just to continue to live and buy - lead to massive and never-ending rises in costs of living compared to incomes = inflation to the max - for the simple reason that the local money unit of each and every country will have the exact same demands placed upon it - for more and more to buy less and less?
Poorly managed, profit maximising globalisation has indeed been a source of much suffering around the globe, even in the US (hence Trump's MAGA and "America First" policies).
Classical economist Ricardo's concept of "comparative advantage" is partly responsible. Indeed Oz ought to be able to make it's own PVs even if they are dearer than Chinese ones....or at least some mechanism to shield Oz - and all nations - from unfair competition by the most advantaged nations, is necessary.
Quote:I told you in your incredibly right wing despotic governance style that the global economy is failing as we speak and yet you persist with silly ideas such as the individual here -
Addressed and refuted above; the least competitive individuals (and nations) must be supported by government, including international law.
Quote: who you simultaneously want to have zero personal sovereignty - is somehow responsible for the endemically poor via adherence to some mythical 'right wing ideology'.
See how you have it all back to front?
I want personal responsibility - and the right to above poverty employment (as stated in UNUDHR, Article 23) - protected by national government and international law.
Quote:You demand that the soul-less individual held in thrall to the state somehow change that state..... and yet you crush the very soul of individuality out of those individuals.
No individual is soul-less, but systemic poverty can strip him of self esteem, and channel him into crime. (did you see the link I provided, showing the association of crime with poverty and extreme inequality?)
Quote:FASCIST!!
Poor Graps - as always, led astray by his delusional Libertarianism.
"All must obey rule of law, if all are to be free": Cicero.
ie, Law instituted by government.