Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm:


I discuss it here, because everyone from the constitutional experts down are obviously utterly confused about the meaning of the wording for the voice, which means it will go down...

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So that's your reply to my previous expose of your delusional libertarianism, a widespread ideology (RW in my book),  one form or another of which is responsible for the current dysfunction and chaos in human affairs.

I know all this is cutting very close to the bone, but there it is....   

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Correct, have you not noticed I have said the same thing many times?

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Maybe, but parliament and the executive  can resist it.

Note , a JG is not "free" money for the individual, it has to be earned by doing useful work (though from the Treasury's point of view, the funding can be created 'out of thin air' if the resources to manage a national JG are available - another story).    

(Now if the High Court wants to sell/grant  Oz to 'First Nation's  people' , the PM will have to do a Netanyahu, and rein in the High Court...in Oz's case, the majority would be with the PM). 

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I think that's overstating the case, certainly the streets of the Alice and elsewhere already resemble civil war at times (ok...overstating the case too).

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2023 at 6:02pm:


And the native New Zealanders are far, far more advanced in both culture and technology that our bunch.

They had a political structure, built houses and even had laws.

They made tools and weapons far surpassing sharpened sticks of Australia.

If they can't make it work, how will the primitives here make it work?

Jasin wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2023 at 5:41am:



It's not just the media.

Liberal Party to discuss Voice to Parliament position at party room meeting this week

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2023 at 5:20pm:


Yeah well Bwyan & a couple of others here might fit that description.

It's advisory - so they keep telling us - of course it might not be totally accepted on every issue.

Another lunge for real power in the land not enjoyed by anyone else...  thanks, Brian.

The CDEP: the situation in 1977


https://humanrights.gov.au/sites/default/files/content/pdf/race_discrim/cdep_sch...


"On 26 May 1977, the then Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, the Hon Ian Viner MP, announced the
creation of the CDEP scheme program as part of a package of measures designed to deal with the
employment problems noted in the Working Group’s report. The Minister observed:
Unemployment benefits have been available to Aboriginals as to other Australians unable
to obtain work. In some cases, as the working party report has revealed, the lack of activity when combined with unemployment benefit has produced serious social problems such as alcoholism and other health hazards. ... The Community Development
Employment Program will provide work for all Aboriginals in a particular community who wish to work. Finance for the CDEPs will be provided to individual Aboriginal
councils to enable the council to pay for work performed by individual community members, preferably on a cooperative, part-time or contractual basis. The total monies available to a community would be determined in consultation between the community and departmental officers. In determining the amounts available, the entitlements of individual community members to unemployment benefits would be taken into account.

Note the bolded: individual agency achieved via waged work, compared with destructive dependency engendered by 'sit down money' aka euphemistically called 'social security'. 

Part of the reason for the success of the scheme was its development within local communities, designed for prevailing local conditions, giving a sense of ownership and obligation to one's community.