mothra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 10:01am:

So 25% of the posts here are yours on this 'unnecessary' thread.

mothra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:27am:


Neil Brown raises important points and illustrates them with an actual, recent case of handling Aboriginal Voice.

It is a lazy and stupid thing to bury your head in the PC sand and dismiss all concerns about the Voice as mere racism. Albo's tactic, as it was during the election campaign, is to be as vague as possible, saying that details will be sorted once the constitutional amendment is passed. But that is absolutely NOT the way to conduct debate on constitutional change - with added guilt tripping by the likes of you. Constitutional change is too important and your Emotional Correctness just reinforces the perception that dirty work is afoot here.
You would have clear and reasonable arguments for it otherwise. You don't.

If you don't care either way then keep out of the discussion. But kibbitzing that there is no point to discussing it because any opposition is just racism and that the only correct position is to go along with whatever Albo suggests is NOT going to fly. If anything, it will guarantee the failure of the proposed amendments.

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 10:09am:

The biggest issue by far and away is the same as in the US if Congress honoured article 7 of the Treaty of New Echota between the US Federal government and the Cherokee nation.

How does a voice (singular) represent a multitude of likely competing and diverging interests among aboriginal nations/peoples?

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 10:29am:

Yes. It's based on an ethnic and demographic lie, being, that all aboriginal peoples hold the same values and interests regardless of very different traditions.

It's an anachronistic example of 19th-century colonial thinking - that all aboriginals are the same.

It will be voted in owing to :



I'll be in the minority voting "No".

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 10:50am:



It doesn't have bipartisan support.  The Aboriginal voice WITHIN the Coalition opposes it. If Dutton comes out in support of Albo against Price then his leadership is over.

mothra wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:27am:


Now now, Mother, that's unfair. We need to give the old boy some encouragement. He is a New Australian, after all. He needs our kind words and support.

Perhaps you could virtue signal him back. Send him a jolly smiley.

Just don't yawn, okay? Brian tried that, and the old boy's never gotten over it.

CENSORSHIP !!!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 12:54pm:


Hopefully there won't be the level of deceit that was evident in the Treaty of Waitangi.  The British lied to the Maori about what it contained and supplied them with a different copy of the document with separate clauses.  This is where most of the problems with the Treaty originated with and it wasn't corrected until the late 20th century because of a court case which overturned the British version and replaced it with the Maori version.

The Australian "Voice" must go to the Australian people to decide if it is to be included in the Constitution.  All the bullshit that is preceding that is just that, bullshit.  Scare tactics promulgated by Racists who fear any power being accorded to the Indigenous.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...