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Reply #1530 - Apr 13^th, 2023 at 11:49am

herre are some things abos, or ppl calling themselves abos have done to me in the past 5 years or so in dubbo

-slashed all four of my cars tyres

-hit me with a mop just for walking past their house in the afternoon, no joke

-3 abo kids threatened to bash me for walking around

-ambushed me in a car park, asked me for my wallet, i refused, they started pelting me with rocks for it

-stole my car

-stole my bike

why the f_ck would i want these mostly sh1tty people to have special constintutional privileges

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29287 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1531 - Apr 13^th, 2023 at 12:12pm Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2023 at 8:53pm: I know an Aborigine Farmer who would say that his 'land' does the talking for him. Not Politics. yeah sure
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Reply #1532 - Apr 13^th, 2023 at 12:53pm

JC Denton wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

herre are some things abos, or ppl calling themselves abos have done to me in the past 5 years or so in dubbo

-slashed all four of my cars tyres

-hit me with a mop just for walking past their house in the afternoon, no joke

-3 abo kids threatened to bash me for walking around

-ambushed me in a car park, asked me for my wallet, i refused, they started pelting me with rocks for it

-stole my car

-stole my bike

why the f_ck would i want these mostly sh1tty people to have special constintutional privileges

Might be time for you to discuss getting blacks off welfare dependency, into paid jobs.

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Reply #1533 - Apr 13^th, 2023 at 12:56pm

Frank wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 9:57am:

Frank wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 8:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

Show the job and the above poverty money, and see what happens.

Yeah, these guys are crying out for work. "GISSA JOB" they are shouting every day from non, when the bottle-o opens.

As usual you are looking at the consequences of welfare dependency rather than its causes.

Those people have NEVER experienced a household with a regular employment ethos.

I do not buy that sob story for one minute. No welfare dependency MAKES people treat each other, their women and children, the way some of these remote Aborigines do.

You are missing the context: low morale leading to social dysfunction among the survivors of a destroyed hunter-gatherer culture.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1534 - Apr 13^th, 2023 at 1:40pm Will the Indigenous Voice to Parliament have enough power to effect change?
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12490 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1535 - Apr 13^th, 2023 at 1:46pm Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 1:40pm: Will the Indigenous Voice to Parliament have enough power to effect change? No, not so long as the current neoclassical free-market ideology holds sway.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1536 - Apr 14^th, 2023 at 8:34pm Legal experts offer Voice to Parliament backing as referendum looms
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44693 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1537 - Apr 14^th, 2023 at 8:42pm Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14^th, 2023 at 8:34pm: Legal experts offer Voice to Parliament backing as referendum looms As confused, muddled and contradictory as you, cockwomble. Grotesque. Bbwianesque. Same thing.
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Reply #1538 - Apr 14^th, 2023 at 8:43pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 9:57am:

Frank wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 8:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

Show the job and the above poverty money, and see what happens.

Yeah, these guys are crying out for work. "GISSA JOB" they are shouting every day from non, when the bottle-o opens.

As usual you are looking at the consequences of welfare dependency rather than its causes.

Those people have NEVER experienced a household with a regular employment ethos.

I do not buy that sob story for one minute. No welfare dependency MAKES people treat each other, their women and children, the way some of these remote Aborigines do.

You are missing the context: low morale leading to social dysfunction among the survivors of a destroyed hunter-gatherer culture.

And some bozos in Canberra will lift the morale in Alice, silly parrot???

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1539 - Apr 15^th, 2023 at 12:27pm pssst: their behaviour was actually worse when they were hunter gatherers
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Reply #1540 - Apr 15^th, 2023 at 12:50pm

What 'morale' does a desperate survival mode hunter gatherer have?

Every other culture on earth has had to adapt - all that is required is the willingness to do so, and that is something not remotely encouraged in this lot. They are, in reality, being kept as a museum piece via this nonsensical encouragement of a 'culture' that hardly existed and no longer exists - so Aborassic Park is not outside the realm of probability for the future.... Gondwanamo Bay for the violent recalcitrants.

Your theories border on fantasy, dividie. Get out of that school more and into the real world.

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Reply #1541 - Apr 17^th, 2023 at 11:23am

The nub:

Here lies the real danger for Albanese and voice supporters. Australians are a practical people who want to see First Australians do better. They would probably support a voice that gave Aboriginal Australians a say in policies specifically directed at Aboriginal issues. They would no doubt support a factual recognition in the Constitution that this land was settled before the British arrived.

But they will surely heed voice opponents such as this paper’s Paul Kelly, Greg Sheridan and Albrechtsen if they suspect the voice will get powers to advise governments in all aspects of public policy. Think climate change, tax policy and foreign affairs for starters.
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But history would surely judge Albanese harshly if either the voice failed for lack of consultation or succeeded only to prove far more powerful – and disruptive to good government – than Albanese suggested.

Here the media needs balance. Voice campaigning has already taken a toll on media credibility.
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Many of us can’t see the benefits to disadvantaged aborigines in giving a small group of unelected activists constitutional authority to form a permanent bureaucracy at the heart of government. These activists have been pushing at an open door for 50+ years with governments and the courts largely giving them all they ask for …..and what happens to the disadvantaged Aborigines? Their squalor, neglect, delinquency, crime have only increased.

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Reply #1542 - Apr 17^th, 2023 at 9:06pm

Frank wrote on Apr 17^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

The nub:

These activists have been pushing at an open door for 50+ years with governments and the courts largely giving them all they ask for …..and what happens to the disadvantaged Aborigines? Their squalor, neglect, delinquency, crime have only increased.

Yes, the activists - misled by mainstream economics - think giving demoralized people 'sit-down money' will improve community functionality.

It won't: the costly poverty industry (....I mean "welfare" industry) attests to that.

You've got to establish personal agency through providing above-poverty work, organised at the local level.

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But they will surely heed voice opponents such as this paper’s Paul Kelly, Greg Sheridan and Albrechtsen if they suspect the voice will get powers to advise governments in all aspects of public policy. Think climate change, tax policy and foreign affairs for starters.

Two of the country's most gruesome ideologues: Janet (and Judith Sloane) on neoliberal free-market Thatcherite economics; and Sheridan on Conservative Judeo--Christian ideology.

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Reply #1543 - Apr 17^th, 2023 at 9:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 17^th, 2023 at 9:06pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 17^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

The nub:

These activists have been pushing at an open door for 50+ years with governments and the courts largely giving them all they ask for …..and what happens to the disadvantaged Aborigines? Their squalor, neglect, delinquency, crime have only increased.

Yes, the activists - misled by mainstream economics - think giving demoralized people 'sit-down money' will improve community functionality.

It won't: the costly poverty industry (....I mean "welfare" industry) attests to that.

You've got to establish personal agency through providing above-poverty work, organised at the local level.

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But they will surely heed voice opponents such as this paper’s Paul Kelly, Greg Sheridan and Albrechtsen if they suspect the voice will get powers to advise governments in all aspects of public policy. Think climate change, tax policy and foreign affairs for starters.

Two of the country's most gruesome ideologues: Janet (and Judith Sloane) on neoliberal free-market Thatcherite economics; and Sheridan on Conservative Judeo--Christian ideology.

You are an idiot, parrot.

F off.

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Reply #1544 - Apr 17^th, 2023 at 9:56pm

Frank wrote on Apr 17^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 17^th, 2023 at 9:06pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 17^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

The nub:

These activists have been pushing at an open door for 50+ years with governments and the courts largely giving them all they ask for …..and what happens to the disadvantaged Aborigines? Their squalor, neglect, delinquency, crime have only increased.

Yes, the activists - misled by mainstream economics - think giving demoralized people 'sit-down money' will improve community functionality.

It won't: the costly poverty industry (....I mean "welfare" industry) attests to that.

You've got to establish personal agency through providing above-poverty work, organised at the local level.

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But they will surely heed voice opponents such as this paper’s Paul Kelly, Greg Sheridan and Albrechtsen if they suspect the voice will get powers to advise governments in all aspects of public policy. Think climate change, tax policy and foreign affairs for starters.

Two of the country's most gruesome ideologues: Janet (and Judith Sloane) on neoliberal free-market Thatcherite economics; and Sheridan on Conservative Judeo--Christian ideology.

You are an idiot, parrot.

F off.

I will assume my comments about your favourites - the gruesome Greg and Janet - have upset you.

But you still have to confront the poverty industry, a creature of YOUR inadequate free market ideology.

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