So, has there been any progress to exposing exactly what it is that they won't tell us.

It amazes me that some humans in this country would vote in favour of something that they cannot explain, or have no understanding of exactly what it is they are voting for.
And it's got to be the entire proposal, not just a hand picked pieces that make lefties all warm and fuzzy.
Tell us how much more per year this voice is going to cost tax payers.

I'm all for an advisory board. No problems.
I'm not for paying any more money to these grubby bastards that are fleecing the already 36b being paid annually.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19^th, 2023 at 2:50pm:

Idiotic nonsense, parrot.

Marx was for revolutionary struggle and dictatorship:



The question then arises: What transformation will the state undergo in communist society? In other words, what social functions will remain in existence there that are analogous to present state functions? This question can only be answered scientifically, and one does not get a flea-hop nearer to the problem by a thousand-fold combination of the word 'people' with the word 'state'.

Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

Karl Marx
Critique of the Gotha Programme - IV


And again

While this utopian, doctrinaire Socialism, which subordinates the total movement to one of its stages, which puts in place of common social production the brainwork of individual pedants and, above all, in fantasy does away with the revolutionary struggle of the classes and its requirements by small conjurers' tricks or great sentimentality, while this doctrinaire Socialism, which at bottom only idealizes present society, takes a picture of it without shadows, and wants to achieve its ideal athwart the realities of present society; while the proletariat surrenders this Socialism to the petty bourgeoisie; while the struggle of the different socialist leaders among themselves sets forth each of the so-called systems as a pretentious adherence to one of the transit points of the social revolution as against another — the proletariat rallies more and more around revolutionary Socialism, around Communism, for which the bourgeoisie has itself invented the name of Blanqui. This Socialism is the declaration of the permanence of the revolution, the class dictatorship of the proletariat as the necessary transit point to the abolition of class distinctions generally, to the abolition of all the relations of production on which they rest, to the abolition of all the social relations that correspond to these relations of production, to the revolutionizing of all the ideas that result from these social relations.
Karl Marx
The Class Struggles in France

Voice to Parliament must be listened to, not just 'heard', inquiry told 

What's the point in putting this to a vote?
This will be pushed through even if the vote is majority no.
It's going to go ahead.
The government's work for the corporations now. They do not work for us. That's why they do not listen to us, and that's why, no matter who sits at the helm, the direction of society does not change.


It's a farrken joke tbh.
I just wish, for one time in their pissant existence, that the cnts would just tell the truth to the people.

Said it at covid lock down time.
We will never go back to what we had, it changed society forever.
Electronic monitoring came in and the fools gagged for more, and its only going to get more intrusive.

It will be the same with this poxy voice.
It will allow these grubs to change the constitution in a way that will fkkk the general pop while benefiting the money players.
When the last time the government in this country changed something to benifit the general population?
Never.
There will be changes come into effect that we will not be able to veto, thanks to no veto clause.
Why would a no veto clause be required if all the truth of actually what is going to be changed was out on the table for us all to see?
Because they are going to change something that we will not like, and once it's done, it can't be taken back.

Fkkk the voice, and Fkkk all of you that want it 

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 6:55am:


Not much; but it indicates the triump of hope over meaningful policy change required to close the gap. 

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Mostly correct, except governments TOO are subject to rules set by neoclassical central bankers who demand "independence", to maintain price stability at the expense of workers who must bear the burden of interest rate rises and enforced unemployment, to control inflation.


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Central bankers serving the interests of the powerful rely on the publlc being ignorant of how money is created

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er...before covid, we had the GFC.....

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It's a difficult balancing act for governments: the 2001 attacks in NY showed the need for surveillance, to counter terrorism.

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Interesting  observation for Libertarians to consider: some of the 'first nations' activists want to assert black sovereignty, which the non-black community rejects.

But we all demand national sovereignty, rendering impossible the institution of international law.

Oh, what a  tangled web we weave, as a result of blind self-interest...

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 11:05am:


How will you be voting in the upcoming referendum, old boy?

Have you given it any thought?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2023 at 12:39pm:


His personal opinion?