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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1590 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:23am

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 10:53am:

Silly parrot. Advocating for local community Voices is motherhood statement when the Canberra voice is opposed - but a GOOD THING when a pro-centralised Voice Sharee advocates for it.

A JG work program is determined at the local level; Shireen knows that.

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You say anything as long as the upsit is that EVERYTHING is centralised in the hands of a Supreme Leader and the All-Knowing, All-Wise Party, the Owner of All the People.

Refuted above; I want the overthrow of the current gruesome neoliberal/neoclassical market and monetary orthodxy, true enough - a system which is as "centralized" ...or established, as any alternative system.

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3977 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1591 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:24am https://twitter.com/826Maureen/status/1649927762684313601
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12490 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1592 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:27am Boris wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:24am: https://twitter.com/826Maureen/status/1649927762684313601 But unlike you, most Australians want to close the gap.
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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3977 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1593 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 12:06pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:27am: Boris wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:24am: https://twitter.com/826Maureen/status/1649927762684313601 But unlike you, most Australians want to close the gap. Then they can move to the Alice and experience the culture Off you go
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Reply #1594 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 12:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 10:53am:

Silly parrot. Advocating for local community Voices is motherhood statement when the Canberra voice is opposed - but a GOOD THING when a pro-centralised Voice Sharee advocates for it.

A JG work program is determined at the local level; Shireen knows that.

But in Jacinta or Warren want local voices then that's just motherhood statement.

Being a parrot, speaking in good faith is not your thing.

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Reply #1595 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:21pm

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 12:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 10:53am:

Silly parrot. Advocating for local community Voices is motherhood statement when the Canberra voice is opposed - but a GOOD THING when a pro-centralised Voice Sharee advocates for it.

A JG work program is determined at the local level; Shireen knows that.

But in Jacinta or Warren want local voices then that's just motherhood statement.

Being a parrot, speaking in good faith is not your thing.

Wrong, as usual. I already noted Jacinta and Warren haven't elucidated on how the motherhood statement - re local engagement - is to be implemented.

Whereas Shireen knows locally organized employment is key.

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Reply #1596 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:30pm

Boris wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 12:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:27am:

Boris wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

https://twitter.com/826Maureen/status/1649927762684313601

But unlike you, most Australians want to close the gap.

Then they can move to the Alice and experience the culture

Off you go

1. most Australians can't move to the Alice, for various reasons (and the Alice isn't big enough...)

2. The present "culture", resulting from generational black welfare dependency, as noted by the Alice Springs Police Commissioner, is violent and needs to be changed.

Can you engage your brain?

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Reply #1597 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:49pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:21pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 12:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 10:53am:

Silly parrot. Advocating for local community Voices is motherhood statement when the Canberra voice is opposed - but a GOOD THING when a pro-centralised Voice Sharee advocates for it.

A JG work program is determined at the local level; Shireen knows that.

But in Jacinta or Warren want local voices then that's just motherhood statement.

Being a parrot, speaking in good faith is not your thing.

Wrong, as usual. I already noted Jacinta and Warren haven't elucidated on how the motherhood statement - re local engagement - is to be implemented.

Whereas Shireen knows locally organized employment is key.

So Jacinda needs to elucidate her 'motherhood statement' but Shireen doesnt coz she knows.

You are a clown parrot:
Caique parrots can make great pets and will keep you entertained for years. They are wonderful to look at and do not get very big so they do not require a large cage. Caiques are generally referred to as clowns of pet birds for quite a real reason.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17324 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1598 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:55pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:30pm: 2. The present "culture", resulting from generational black welfare dependency, as noted by the Alice Springs Police Commissioner, is violent and needs to be changed. Alice Springs does not have a Police Commissioner.
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Reply #1599 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 2:03pm

Don’t believe anyone who says this is caused by poverty. It’s not. I grew up in abject poverty. My siblings and I were always well cared for, our home was clean and tidy and we went to school every day. Most people I grew up with were poor and they were the same. My father and his family lived in tin and bark huts with dirt floors and the men and boys slept outside but they were also well cared for, clean and tidy and went to school every day. And in all of these families, all the adults worked.

https://www.cis.org.au/commentary/opinion/we-can-and-must-stop-the-violence-and-...

So much value from one article from someone at the front......

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Reply #1600 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 2:44pm

lee wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:30pm:

2. The present "culture", resulting from generational black welfare dependency, as noted by the Alice Springs Police Commissioner, is violent and needs to be changed.

Alice Springs does not have a Police Commissioner. Roll Eyes

Ok. it was the NT police commisioner who said it, commenting on the situation in Alice Springs.

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Reply #1601 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 2:45pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

Don’t believe anyone who says this is caused by poverty. It’s not. I grew up in abject poverty. My siblings and I were always well cared for, our home was clean and tidy and we went to school every day. Most people I grew up with were poor and they were the same. My father and his family lived in tin and bark huts with dirt floors and the men and boys slept outside but they were also well cared for, clean and tidy and went to school every day. And in all of these families, all the adults worked.

https://www.cis.org.au/commentary/opinion/we-can-and-must-stop-the-violence-and-...

So much value from one article from someone at the front......

Except it's BS as I already explained in another thread, welfare dependency is a different issue to poverty.
You really should be more critical of the CIS; they are worse than Murdoch's 'The Oz', because they are actually educated... but in 'Groupthink', unfortunately:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1645944963/new

#471: RBA Review Report ignores the real questions and proposes to entrench the failed Groupthink

That you repost CIS groupthink here just demonstrates your incapacty for reasoned analysis, and refusal to understand the different causes and effects of poverty and welfare dependency in different cultures.

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3977 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1602 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 3:47pm
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17324 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1603 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 4:16pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 2:44pm: Ok. it was the NT police commisioner who said it, commenting on the situation in Alice Springs. Yes. That just shows the "depth" of your knowledge about most things.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1604 - Apr 24^th, 2023 at 4:35pm

Boris wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 3:47pm:

Sounds like the normal interplay between men and women in the household.... she tries to persuade him he's mad, when she herself is mad.... the Old Girl is somewhere on the autism spectrum or whatever, and thus she is clearly not quite there a lot.... memory is fading and false memories are intruding with age..................... now........ where was I again? Oh, yes, we were talking about cupcakes and tea with Harry and Meghan last week ...

As the outstanding graduate cum laude of a dysfunctional family, I can point to at least three out of four siblings who employ this as a matter of course.... sometimes the changes of actual history are outstanding..... a period of sustained silence from me when one such is going the rat, two years later - becomes 'shouting and screaming' from me!! Never the fault of the sibling or their clear madness .... oh no - they can never do wrong.... and it's always the other person... good thing there were witnesses, eh?

Read my coming book "Dysfunctionalia" .... a place where reason and sanity have no meaning..............

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