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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1605 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:54am

lee wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 2:44pm:

Ok. it was the NT police commisioner who said it, commenting on the situation in Alice Springs.

Yes. That just shows the "depth" of your knowledge about most things. Roll Eyes

At least I knew THAT comment was coming.....

And of course you have no comment to make on eradicating welfare dependency...

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1606 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:10am

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:21pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 12:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 10:53am:

Silly parrot. Advocating for local community Voices is motherhood statement when the Canberra voice is opposed - but a GOOD THING when a pro-centralised Voice Sharee advocates for it.

A JG work program is determined at the local level; Shireen knows that.

But in Jacinta or Warren want local voices then that's just motherhood statement.

Being a parrot, speaking in good faith is not your thing.

Wrong, as usual. I already noted Jacinta and Warren haven't elucidated on how the motherhood statement - re local engagement - is to be implemented.

Whereas Shireen knows locally organized employment is key.

So Jacinda needs to elucidate her 'motherhood statement' but Shireen doesnt coz she knows.

You are a clown parrot:
Caique parrots can make great pets and will keep you entertained for years. They are wonderful to look at and do not get very big so they do not require a large cage. Caiques are generally referred to as clowns of pet birds for quite a real reason.

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Wrong parrot gif there Frank Grin

That's an African Peachface/Lovebird.

Caique parrots are Sth American.

But I get your drift ..... & Peachfaces fit the description for Caiques as well.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12490 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1607 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:32am Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:49pm: So Jacinda needs to elucidate her 'motherhood statement' but Shireen doesnt coz she knows. The yes and the no case both need to explain how to eradicate destructive welfare dependency in black communities. Shireen is a supporter of MMT, and hence the JG.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1608 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:31pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:32am:

Frank wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

So Jacinda needs to elucidate her 'motherhood statement' but Shireen doesnt coz she knows.

The yes and the no case both need to explain how to eradicate destructive welfare dependency in black communities.

Shireen is a supporter of MMT, and hence the JG.

No they don't - only the Yes case needs to justify itself.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1609 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

lee wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 2:44pm:

Ok. it was the NT police commisioner who said it, commenting on the situation in Alice Springs.

Yes. That just shows the "depth" of your knowledge about most things. Roll Eyes

At least I knew THAT comment was coming.....

And of course you have no comment to make on eradicating welfare dependency...

The argument on changing the constitution has nothing to do with welfare dependency. Red herring...

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1610 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 2:29pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

lee wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 2:44pm:

Ok. it was the NT police commisioner who said it, commenting on the situation in Alice Springs.

Yes. That just shows the "depth" of your knowledge about most things. Roll Eyes

At least I knew THAT comment was coming.....

And of course you have no comment to make on eradicating welfare dependency...

The argument on changing the constitution has nothing to do with welfare dependency. Red herring...

er...let me connect the dots for you:

1. Most Ozies want to close the gap.

2. They think a 'voice' will help close the gap, but they don't understand money.

3. The voice won't close the gap. Only provision of suitable paid employment can gradually close the gap.

(I won't write"obviously"..because it's apparently not obvious that 1+1 =2 )

3. Sovereignty ideologues on all sides are at one-another throats, hence the voice has much less support than closing the gap (and is therefore likely to lose, given near unanimous support required to pass referendums).

4. Understand now WHY some (if erroneously) want to change the constitution?

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1611 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 2:29pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

lee wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 2:44pm:

Ok. it was the NT police commisioner who said it, commenting on the situation in Alice Springs.

Yes. That just shows the "depth" of your knowledge about most things. Roll Eyes

At least I knew THAT comment was coming.....

And of course you have no comment to make on eradicating welfare dependency...

The argument on changing the constitution has nothing to do with welfare dependency. Red herring...

er...let me connect the dots for you:

1. Most Ozies want to close the gap.

2. They think a 'voice' will help close the gap, but they don't understand money.

3. The voice won't close the gap. Only provision of suitable paid employment can gradually close the gap.

(I won't write"obviously"..because it's apparently not obvious that 1+1 =2 )

3. Sovereignty ideologues on all sides are at one-another throats, hence the voice has much less support than closing the gap (and is therefore likely to lose, given near unanimous support required to pass referendums).

4. Understand now WHY some (if erroneously) want to change the constitution?

Who is "they"?

And why is it that "they" don't already know the Aboriginal Australians have many "voices" to Govt?

Why do they believe that Aboriginals don't have any "voices"?

Because it's more than obvious that they do.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1612 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:47pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 2:29pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

lee wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 2:44pm:

Ok. it was the NT police commisioner who said it, commenting on the situation in Alice Springs.

Yes. That just shows the "depth" of your knowledge about most things. Roll Eyes

At least I knew THAT comment was coming.....

And of course you have no comment to make on eradicating welfare dependency...

The argument on changing the constitution has nothing to do with welfare dependency. Red herring...

er...let me connect the dots for you:

1. Most Ozies want to close the gap.

2. They think a 'voice' will help close the gap, but they don't understand money.

3. The voice won't close the gap. Only provision of suitable paid employment can gradually close the gap.

(I won't write"obviously"..because it's apparently not obvious that 1+1 =2 )

3. Sovereignty ideologues on all sides are at one-another throats, hence the voice has much less support than closing the gap (and is therefore likely to lose, given near unanimous support required to pass referendums).

4. Understand now WHY some (if erroneously) want to change the constitution?

Silly parrot crap.
It's NOT Aboriginal employment opportunities that are lacking severely in Whoop Whoop. It's Aboriginal employability.

And ONLY Abos can change their own employability. Not Shiree, not Jacinda, not Tennis Albo, not the Voice, not you, not money printing, not job guarantee.

Unemployable Abos need to get employable. Only they can make themselves employable, nobody else. You can call it neoliberal, grusome, individualistic - all your idiotic crap - but if you are unemployable then YOU have to make yourself employable, regardless of your race, colour, or the species of parrot you happen to be.

No government intervention, no job guarantee can straighten you up if you are not prepared to straighten up yourself. You can guarantee any job but if Abos don't turn up in the project of bettering their own lives then there is nothing you can do short of forcing them as inferior buggers. Abos need to step up to help themselves.

Your parroting shite is just that - idiotic, unthought-out moronic parroting.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1613 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:22pm

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:47pm:

It's NOT Aboriginal employment opportunities that are lacking severely in Whoop Whoop. It's Aboriginal employability.

So...see the CDEP for how to begin to deal with that problem.

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And ONLY Abos can change their own employability. Not Shiree, not Jacinda, not Tennis Albo, not the Voice, not you, not money printing, not job guarantee.

Nonsense. You and I were made employable because
1. the state educated us, and

2. we lived in functional families, or functional communities.

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Unemployable Abos need to get employable. Only they can make themselves employable, nobody else. You can call it neoliberal, grusome, individualistic - all your idiotic crap - but if you are unemployable then YOU have to make yourself employable, regardless of your race, colour, or the species of parrot you happen to be.

Refuted above, you are bloody lucky you weren't born into a dysfunctional black family.

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No government intervention, no job guarantee can straighten you up if you are not prepared to straighten up yourself.

You can guarantee any job but if Abos don't turn up in the project of bettering their own lives then there is nothing you can do short of forcing them as inferior buggers. Abos need to step up to help themselves.

Hint: both personal AND community responsibility are required to achieve successful lives. Like I said, you are lucky you chose the right parents in the right community...

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Your parroting shite is just that - idiotic, unthought-out moronic parroting.

Refuted above, with reasoned anaysis - something beyond your 'survival of the fittest' mentality, apparently.

Th nation wants to close the gap.

Telling blacks they have to "step up to help themselves" is gross simplistic thinking, and won't close the gap.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1614 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 11:03am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:22pm: