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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1635 - Apr 28th, 2023 at 8:49am  
Gnads wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 6:32pm:
Grin You idiot ... spend far too much time on the internet.



says the guy whose only thought when he hears the word 'influencer' is facebook influencers  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #1636 - Apr 28th, 2023 at 10:26am  
Gnads wrote on Apr 28th, 2023 at 6:03am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 10:53pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 6:32pm:
What exactly is an "influencer"?


The right associate at the right time.

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Bit too modern for people of Aboriginal descent


We all need the right help at times, luck is involved re the quality of that help..

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that actually work for a living & get on with life without out their hands out & playing the victim card ... don't you think?


Er...that's not the case in dysfunctional communities mired in destructive generational welfare dependency.

"Influencer" is a new millennial term for doing SFA for money...... sounds about right for this application too.  Grin

I think you would find the use of "mentor" a more realistic descriptor.


Ok, so it's a matter of definition; I'll accept 'mentor', except I had in mind a more casual contact who just happens to give the right advice at the the right time, to cause an individual to make the right "choice"....that's where the luck comes in, in an already dysfunctional environment. 

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And would you believe there are & have been thousands of mentoring programs & mentors put to guiding troublesome Aboriginal youth over the decades.....


Yes ...and all these programs have failed to address the community dysfunction in which individuals must somehow manage. 

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why is it they haven't had a major impact on the associated problems?


Answered above.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1637 - Apr 28th, 2023 at 12:25pm  
Nothing will change the problems of the Aborigines other than mass deportation and re-education as dividie wants...  ship 'em out and shape 'em up...

So let's bury this voice nonsense and get on with the real issues.... such as Pig Iron Penny rattling the chocolate sabre while selling to the troublemakers...
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Reply #1638 - Apr 28th, 2023 at 12:45pm  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 28th, 2023 at 12:25pm:
Nothing will change the problems of the Aborigines other than mass deportation and re-education as dividie wants...


Hey, that's what you said was YOUR solution,  a few days back.  

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So let's bury this voice nonsense and get on with the real issues.... such as Pig Iron Penny rattling the chocolate sabre while selling to the troublemakers...


The real issues are

1. closing the gap:

......by understanding we all need to work to prosper, which will need govt. to act as employer of last resort (ELR), given the profit-driven, competitve private-sector is unable - and nor is it the private sector's role - to fulfill that function.

2. Flogging Oz's most lucrative export to its largest buyer....or suffer a catastrophic reduction in living standards. That's why Forrest and McGowan make regular trips to China, forget Wong.
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Reply #1639 - Apr 28th, 2023 at 1:01pm  
*blip*
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Reply #1640 - May 1st, 2023 at 3:35pm  
Tony Abbott hits out at proposed Voice to Parliament, attracting a rebuke from Noel Pearson Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #1641 - May 1st, 2023 at 6:00pm  
You mean the Noel Pearson that had a program that cost millions and achieved nothing? That Noel Pearson? Roll Eyes
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Reply #1642 - May 1st, 2023 at 9:29pm  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 28th, 2023 at 1:01pm:
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"blip" failed to answer #1638.... concession accepted.
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Reply #1643 - May 2nd, 2023 at 7:31am  
John Smith wrote on Apr 28th, 2023 at 8:49am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 6:32pm:
Grin You idiot ... spend far too much time on the internet.



says the guy whose only thought when he hears the word 'influencer' is facebook influencers  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



That's the only time the term is used dickhead.

& it's not Facebook alone... it's most social media & MSM along with the likes of Youtube, Tik tok, Twitter etc.

In every other sphere the term "mentor" is used.
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Reply #1644 - May 2nd, 2023 at 7:40am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 28th, 2023 at 10:26am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 28th, 2023 at 6:03am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 10:53pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 6:32pm:
What exactly is an "influencer"?


The right associate at the right time.

Quote:
Bit too modern for people of Aboriginal descent


We all need the right help at times, luck is involved re the quality of that help..

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that actually work for a living & get on with life without out their hands out & playing the victim card ... don't you think?


Er...that's not the case in dysfunctional communities mired in destructive generational welfare dependency.

"Influencer" is a new millennial term for doing SFA for money...... sounds about right for this application too.  Grin

I think you would find the use of "mentor" a more realistic descriptor.


Ok, so it's a matter of definition; I'll accept 'mentor', except I had in mind a more casual contact who just happens to give the right advice at the the right time, to cause an individual to make the right "choice"....that's where the luck comes in, in an already dysfunctional environment. 

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And would you believe there are & have been thousands of mentoring programs & mentors put to guiding troublesome Aboriginal youth over the decades.....


Yes ...and all these programs have failed to address the community dysfunction in which individuals must somehow manage. 

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why is it they haven't had a major impact on the associated problems?


Answered above.



And is that not exactly what a "mentor" does?

No one said it was someone "full time".

Mentoring can be a casual arrangement or something more regular.

With the appropriation of the word "influencer" to the millennial IT brigade it has now been bastardised to mean a career/job promoting all sorts of concepts let alone ever be thought of as some sort of social guidance for wayward youth in how to live your life.
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Reply #1645 - May 2nd, 2023 at 10:54am  
Gnads wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 7:40am:
And is that not exactly what a "mentor" does?


No, a mentor is a longer-term teacher.

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No one said it was someone "full time".

Mentoring can be a casual arrangement or something more regular.


Over the longer term.  How long are you going to keep denying  luck is ONE factor involved in escaping dysfunctional communities....so that you can persist with your nonsense that government can't assist in engendering positive change? 

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With the appropriation of the word "influencer" to the millennial IT brigade it has now been bastardised to mean a career/job promoting all sorts of concepts let alone ever be thought of as some sort of social guidance for wayward youth in how to live your life.


Whatever...now back to topic at hand: how does the nation close the gap?

[Abbott's testimony yesterday will surely sound the death knell for the voice..... so the task of closing the gap will remain].
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Reply #1646 - May 2nd, 2023 at 2:13pm  
Victorian Liberal MPs to have free vote in Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum Cool
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1647 - May 2nd, 2023 at 7:02pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 10:54am:
Gnads wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 7:40am:
And is that not exactly what a "mentor" does?


No, a mentor is a longer-term teacher.

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No one said it was someone "full time".

Mentoring can be a casual arrangement or something more regular.


Over the longer term.  How long are you going to keep denying  luck is ONE factor involved in escaping dysfunctional communities....so that you can persist with your nonsense that government can't assist in engendering positive change? 

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With the appropriation of the word "influencer" to the millennial IT brigade it has now been bastardised to mean a career/job promoting all sorts of concepts let alone ever be thought of as some sort of social guidance for wayward youth in how to live your life.


Whatever...now back to topic at hand: how does the nation close the gap?

[Abbott's testimony yesterday will surely sound the death knell for the voice..... so the task of closing the gap will remain].



Maybe ... but that can be on a very casual & a long term basis ... you nit picker.

And if some one is to "influence" some one it would be for more than 5 minutes.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #1648 - May 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm  
Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 2:13pm:
Victorian Liberal MPs to have free vote in Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum Cool


What does "have a free vote" actually mean?

States who over ride the Federal issue & introduce so called "voices" through there own system are grandstanding idiots.

Anything binding has to be through the Australian constitution & to circumvent that on a state level is stupidity as is amending the constitution based on race.
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Reply #1649 - May 2nd, 2023 at 7:30pm  
Gnads wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 7:31am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 28th, 2023 at 8:49am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 6:32pm:
Grin You idiot ... spend far too much time on the internet.



says the guy whose only thought when he hears the word 'influencer' is facebook influencers  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



That's the only time the term is used dickhead.
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How would you know if you didn't go on social media? The very thing you had a go at thegreatdivide for.
Social media wasn't what i thought off when I read it. Cheesy Cheesy
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