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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1650 - May 2^nd, 2023 at 7:54pm

In a sense we're all 'influencers' simply by using public social media as a platform... we influence people's opinions.

Get on with the discussion about this 'referendum'... it's one big lie from the very start - throwing in 'recognition' with some mysterious voice direct to government and steadily accumulating power of its own - as if the two are inseparable is The Greatest Tall Story Ever Told.

OK, Kaffir - we recognise that your lot were the First Settlers here... but you were not and are not personally one of them - you are a descendant like everyone else apart from the recent new citizens - and you have no more rights in this country than anyone else who is a citizen....

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1651 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 12:06pm

Gnads wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 7:02pm:

Maybe ... but that can be on a very casual & a long term basis ... you nit picker.

Funny... you desperately avoiding reality: we all need assistance at times, but the right assistance is not necessarily there when it is vital...

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And if some one is to "influence" some one it would be for more than 5 minutes. Roll Eyes

you are confusing the "influencer's" time with the "influencee's" time.

it might take only a few words to change someone's life...

Now.. back to the real issue:

"Poverty is not natural, it is a policy choice, and we can end it.

The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.

- President Franklin Roosevelt

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1652 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 12:11pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 7:54pm:

In a sense we're all 'influencers' simply by using public social media as a platform... we influence people's opinions.

Get on with the discussion about this 'referendum'... it's one big lie from the very start - throwing in 'recognition' with some mysterious voice direct to government and steadily accumulating power of its own - as if the two are inseparable is The Greatest Tall Story Ever Told.

OK, Kaffir - we recognise that your lot were the First Settlers here... but you were not and are not personally one of them - you are a descendant like everyone else apart from the recent new citizens - and you have no more rights in this country than anyone else who is a citizen....

Yes, I think you are right ( a rare but welcome instance...) , but you persist in blaming poverty on its victims, so you are also wrong.....

A pity...

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83800 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1653 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 4:55pm .
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12490 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1654 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 5:07pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 4:55pm: . The court jester eases the burden of RW conservative ideology, but he's gone mad...
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1657 - May 4^th, 2023 at 8:44am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 10:54am:

Gnads wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 7:40am:

And is that not exactly what a "mentor" does?

No, a mentor is a longer-term teacher.

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No one said it was someone "full time".

Mentoring can be a casual arrangement or something more regular.

Over the longer term. How long are you going to keep denying luck is ONE factor involved in escaping dysfunctional communities....so that you can persist with your nonsense that government can't assist in engendering positive change?

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With the appropriation of the word "influencer" to the millennial IT brigade it has now been bastardised to mean a career/job promoting all sorts of concepts let alone ever be thought of as some sort of social guidance for wayward youth in how to live your life.

Whatever...now back to topic at hand: how does the nation close the gap?

[Abbott's testimony yesterday will surely sound the death knell for the voice..... so the task of closing the gap will remain].

It's not my nonsense ...it's yours. Of course govt can assist with engendering positive change.
But history shows you nothing has ever been good enough or has failed. By enlarge, I believe because you need both sides to play their part.

So stop your parroting & you fix the gap. Roll Eyes

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1658 - May 4^th, 2023 at 8:46am

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 7:30pm:

Gnads wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 7:31am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 28^th, 2023 at 8:49am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 27^th, 2023 at 6:32pm:

Grin You idiot ... spend far too much time on the internet.

says the guy whose only thought when he hears the word 'influencer' is facebook influencers Cheesy

That's the only time the term is used dickhead.
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How would you know if you didn't go on social media? The very thing you had a go at thegreatdivide for.
Social media wasn't what i thought off when I read it. Cheesy

WGAF what you think?

It's not just social media .... MSM(TV & Radio) use it as well dopey. Roll Eyes

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1659 - May 4^th, 2023 at 11:41am

Gnads wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

I believe because you need both sides to play their part.

Correct.

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So stop your parroting & you fix the gap. Roll Eyes

But here's the problem: the government side CAN'T 'play its part', so long as it is burdened by the "how do we pay for it" mythology.

..which means the blacks can't escape their dysfunction, in order to be able to 'play their part'.

Catch-22!

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83800 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1660 - May 4^th, 2023 at 11:56am Force 'em all to go to a job - that'll stop their whinging and demanding control over water and stuff and endless payments for sitting on their arses.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1661 - May 4^th, 2023 at 11:58am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 11:41am:

Gnads wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

I believe because you need both sides to play their part.

Correct.

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So stop your parroting & you fix the gap. Roll Eyes

But here's the problem: the government side CAN'T 'play its part', so long as it is burdened by the "how do we pay for it" mythology.

..which means the blacks can't escape their dysfunction, in order to be able to 'play their part'.

Catch-22!

So imagine that "how do we pay for it" disappeared - you are left only with encouraging the Kaffir to get on board..... what is your proposal? How will you get them to 'play their part'?

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1662 - May 4^th, 2023 at 1:22pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 11:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 11:41am:

Gnads wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

I believe because you need both sides to play their part.

Correct.

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So stop your parroting & you fix the gap. Roll Eyes

But here's the problem: the government side CAN'T 'play its part', so long as it is burdened by the "how do we pay for it" mythology.

..which means the blacks can't escape their dysfunction, in order to be able to 'play their part'.

Catch-22!

So imagine that "how do we pay for it" disappeared - you are left only with encouraging the Kaffir to get on board..... what is your proposal? How will you get them to 'play their part'?

You mean "disappeared", ie, the funding problem problem currently faced by all governments has disappeared?

Already stated in another thread: teach every citizen of their responsibility to contribute, for fair reward, given an assurance by govt. that a job will be available.

But I have been saying that all along, why did you ask?

Otoh, if by "disappeared", you mean govt. is forced to rely on the tender mercies of the self-interested private sector - as at present - to fund social policy, then I have to say: there is no solution, because there will be no guarantee that personal responsibility will get you a job.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1663 - May 4^th, 2023 at 1:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 1:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 11:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 11:41am:

Gnads wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

I believe because you need both sides to play their part.

Correct.

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So stop your parroting & you fix the gap. Roll Eyes

But here's the problem: the government side CAN'T 'play its part', so long as it is burdened by the "how do we pay for it" mythology.

..which means the blacks can't escape their dysfunction, in order to be able to 'play their part'.

Catch-22!

So imagine that "how do we pay for it" disappeared - you are left only with encouraging the Kaffir to get on board..... what is your proposal? How will you get them to 'play their part'?

You mean "disappeared", ie, the funding problem problem currently faced by all governments has disappeared?

Already stated in another thread: teach every citizen of their responsibility to contribute, for fair reward, given an assurance by govt. that a job will be available.

But I have been saying that all along, why did you ask?

Otoh, if by "disappeared", you mean govt. is forced to rely on the tender mercies of the self-interested private sector - as at present - to fund social policy, then I have to say: there is no solution, because there will be no guarantee that personal responsibility will get you a job.

$36 billion dollars a year...... where's the "funding" problem?

Started in 2019 under the Morrison Govt. the NIAAs funding of $4.5 billion is on top of that.

It's total bullshyte that there's no funding or that there's no "voice".

And you just like they do, just want to give them more, more, more for just 3% of the population.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1664 - May 4^th, 2023 at 1:40pm

None of which will work beyond the gates of Utopia.... refuted before and explained to you many times.

As for fixing the Abos - force 'em all to go to work and earn their keep... that'll keep 'em going for a while and destroy their insane hopes of getting a heap just for sitting there and telling everyone they own the land, the air, the water and everything else.

You won't get them to go to work while ever some idiot offers that to them as their end goal... they reckon they own the whole place - well, time to disabuse them of that notion now before it becomes too fixed an idea in their heads.

No voice you don't pay for yourselves as a lobby group..... no recognition in the constitution ... no nothing you don't work for any more. You are 2% of the adult population - you will not dictate to the other 78% over 18.

Anyone who votes for this insanity will bear the responsibility for the future disasters, and the deaths and injuries, and the savage curtailment of certain currently uncontrolled privileges of ranting and raving and causing trouble to try to get what you want, and of certain groups know for that kind of activity.

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