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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1680 - May 5^th, 2023 at 7:48pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2023 at 3:21pm:

Re "people not knowing how to go to work", note my edit:

In a money-based, post hunter-gatherer culture.....yes, especially with the egregious, state-imposed measure of stop-gap poverty-level 'sit-down money' - which destroys community functionality when applied on a large scale.

Easy then - chop off their dole and royalties and pensions and they'll revert to Nirvana....

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1681 - May 21^st, 2023 at 12:56pm Federal government launches information campaign about Voice to Parliament ahead of referendum
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29287 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1682 - May 21^st, 2023 at 1:14pm Brian Ross wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 12:56pm: Federal government launches information campaign about Voice to Parliament ahead of referendum RACISTS!!
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1683 - May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:44pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 5^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2023 at 3:21pm:

Re "people not knowing how to go to work", note my edit:

In a money-based, post hunter-gatherer culture.....yes, especially with the egregious, state-imposed measure of stop-gap poverty-level 'sit-down money' - which destroys community functionality when applied on a large scale.

Easy then - chop off their dole and royalties and pensions and they'll revert to Nirvana....

But they can't; 'Nirvana' didn't include Alice Springs, and the Woomera Prohibited Area....nor the Maralinga nuke testing site...

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3977 Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1684 - May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:49pm The "Yes" vote is in a nosedive The "No" vote is going up like a rocket You can fool some of the people some of the time
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1685 - May 22^nd, 2023 at 1:07pm Boris wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:49pm: The "Yes" vote is in a nosedive The "No" vote is going up like a rocket You can fool some of the people some of the time Doom! Doom!! Calamity! Flood! Fire! Famine! Devil Worship! Labor voting! Distrustful Liberal Party! Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1686 - May 22^nd, 2023 at 1:08pm

Boris wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:49pm:

The "Yes" vote is in a nosedive

Yes. Senator Liddle says she will accept constitutional recognition of prior occupation, but nothing more.

Any voice should be legislated by parliament, not requiring constitutional change. I agree with her.

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The "No" vote is going up like a rocket

Yes... so the question then will be: how will the nation achieve the goal of closing the gap?

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You can fool some of the people some of the time

yes, and unfortunately, some of them ALL of the time; witness the currrent entrenched neoclassical/neoliberal orthodoxy....

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1687 - May 22^nd, 2023 at 1:39pm

"Any voice should be legislated by parliament

and be severely restricted in its powers to advice only for eternity

, not requiring constitutional change."

Fixed for you..... don't do it again!! Better still - don't have any voice at all - look what happened to Nu Zulland... Power Creep .... over and over until it has a grip on the throat of Nu Zulland. There will only be one solution.... stop it right here and now.

On that basis I've just made the sudden decision to not go along with Recognition, either..... too dangerous to democracy given the stupidity of our 'courts' raised in the shambles of one group holding power to impose in a convict colony and thinking they are the power in the land, like politicians and public servants, and not the people.

Very primitive and backward democratically is this Poor Fellow My Country.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1688 - May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:22pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 1:39pm:

"Any voice should be legislated by parliament

and be severely restricted in its powers to advice only for eternity

, not requiring constitutional change."

Fixed for you..... don't do it again!! Better still - don't have any voice at all - look what happened to Nu Zulland... Power Creep .... over and over until it has a grip on the throat of Nu Zulland. There will only be one solution.... stop it right here and now.

On that basis I've just made the sudden decision to not go along with Recognition, either..... too dangerous to democracy given the stupidity of our 'courts' raised in the shambles of one group holding power to impose in a convict colony and thinking they are the power in the land, like politicians and public servants, and not the people.

Very primitive and backward democratically is this Poor Fellow My Country.

I can hardly wait until after the referedum, when the 'victors' - either way - will be faced with fixing the ongoing dysfunction on the ground.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 83792 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1689 - May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:23pm *Anyway - we know what it's all about now - Linda Burney says it's 'to improve outcomes for our people'.....* Well - the gives us everything we need to know about how the bastard thing is going to work, eh? Talk about fielding misinformation..... when will they give a straight answer?
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #1690 - May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:32pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:23pm:

Anyway - we know what it's all about now - Linda Burney says it's 'to improve outcomes for our people'.....

Well - the gives us everything we need to know about how the bastard thing is going to work, eh?

Talk about fielding misinformation..... when will they give a straight answer?

They can't give a straight answer, because - like you - they don't understand the reasons for the current dysfunction.

...soon to be faced head on by the nation, after the referendum.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1691 - May 22^nd, 2023 at 8:07pm Peter Dutton says Indigenous Voice will 're-racialise' the country in a speech Linda Burney describes as 'disinformation'
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103110 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1692 - May 23^rd, 2023 at 2:53pm It will never be enough for them:
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1693 - May 23^rd, 2023 at 3:44pm Racism again, Bobby? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24616 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #1694 - May 23^rd, 2023 at 9:37pm Brian, do you even talk to aborigines about this issue of the voice referendum?
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