thegreatdivide wrote on May 28
th, 2023 at 1:13pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on May 28
th, 2023 at 10:56am:
No. It was because you did not make a direct response to what I wrote.
I did, by pointing out your response is ineligible, owing to your
blind self-interested ideology Your response was to imply that a 17 year old girl who had told me that she avoided impoverishment through the extra help she received as an aboriginal, was something to do with "trying to understand macoeconomic realities re employment and unemployment from the experiences of individuals". It was such a deviation from what I responded to John Smith, it was like reading an autoresponder message. If I cannot receive free help because of my racial background, but opportunities are afforded to a girl who has indigenous Australian ancestry, it is blatant discrimination against non-indigenous Australians.
Quote:I know what your point was - and it's irrelevant to the reality of employment/unemployment stats.
Ee-ee-et, whether the girl has parents who are employed or not is irrelevant to whether she was entitled to special benefits that non-indigenous do not receive. The subject of indigenous people receiving exclusive benefits is not irrelevant.
Quote:Indeed you might, so the solution to that problem is to redesign the system so that everyone is guaranteed participation, and can work for $50K at a minimum for 38 hours work/week.
Or cut the benefits of those that do not participate in job search/training with job network organisations, without having a sufficient excuse. "Being aboriginal" is not an excuse.
Quote:The yes camp is also split re their motivation, but no doubt some ARE driven by such ineligible things. As for "feeling sorry": the tragedy of the meeting of an ancient culture with a modern one in Oz 200 years ago, is powerfully explored the film 'High Ground'.
I have the DVD of "High Ground" sitting in the DVD rack of this room. I intend to watch it (again) this week. Actually, the time period of that movie was set around the 1920s. I can imagine that 100 years ago, there were those types of violent interactions that befell indigenous Australians. But, that was 100 years ago. There is no relevance of that to indigenous people today. They did not witness that kind of thing.
Quote:After watching it last night, I'm voting Yes - simply because our own modern culture is hardly an advance on the ancient 'primitive, brutal' one; when it comes to consideration of LAW AND JUSTICE, we are still killing children in wars in the age of MAD.
Geez-Louise... you were so sympathetic to the characterisation portrayed by the actors that you want to vote "yes" because Western culture is not all that advanced, compared to ancient cultures? I might have to rewatch "High Ground" tonight. Perhaps you could avail yourself of the movie "Sweet Country" to trigger your empathy for the Stolen Generations, too?
Quote:So, if the voice results in a civil war in Oz, as graps says, I say...you deserve it, just as you deserve all wars.
It won't be the "no" group that deserves the civil war, no matter how the vote turns out. Australians have been fighting to bring about peace, either internationally or domestically. Giving indigenous people another special privilege is just going to piss the rest of us right off.
USR:
Quote:If they are not participating in paid work, that would deem them to be not trying to get work.
thegreatdivide:
Quote:According to your absurd, ugly ideology: governemt can GUARANTEE everyone work, though that concept contravenes your self-interested Thatcherite 'small government' ideology which is instrumntal in maintaing the gap.
At no point did I ever say that the government could guarantee everyone work. I however believe that the government can guarantee that everyone has the opportunity to get work or at least be resourcing job training, studies, etc., to make people more employable or to retain their employment.
If you are not looking for work, and are under no mutual obligation to find work, with benefits that put you receiving 80% of what even the lowest paid workers earn, it is hardly an incentive to get work. Cut benefits to people that are capable of working but refuse to at least do job training/study.
Quote:According to your greed-based world view which prohibits a government-implemented Job Guarantee; "special privileges" indicate a dysfunctional system in which you are complicit.
I am trying to *voice* my opinion that there should be equal welfare opportunities available to all eligible recipients, irrespective of race. "Special privileges" available to indigenous people exclusively is indicative of successive federal governments trying to bury the problems of indigenous self-inflicted destitution.
Quote:"I, I, I..me,me, me": the blind ego thinking it can speak for all the world, whereas only law, and economic systems engendering collective well-being, can speak for all the world.
What are you doing trying to dictate terms on social media of how the voice gets approved? Hypocritical.
*I* think that a lot of things could be bought if we saved on the $30 billion given to the aboriginal industry.
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