thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

You are an idiot. Vigorously ignorant and stupid in a Pavlovian dog kind of reflexivity.

Are these countries run along Friedman/ Thatcherite lines?


The 10 Poorest Countries in the World (based upon their 2020 GNI per capita in current US$):
Burundi - $270
Somalia - $310
Mozambique - $460
Madagascar - $480
Sierra Leone - $490
Afghanistan - $500
Central African Republic - $510
Liberia - $530
Niger - $540
Democratic Republic of the Congo (formerly Zaire) - $550


No. 70s oil shock? No. Geopolitical causes? No. They are culturally tribal, superstitious, stupid places in the grip of pre-modern mind-forged shackles. And you and the CCP want to replace their native shackles with Chinese ideological shackles.

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 9:17pm:


Countries of the 'global south'?

They were all crippled by Western colonial exploitation, and sheer robbery of resources by Europe. Now of course maintained in their state of poverty by the US stooge the IMF - Instant Misery Fund.

Indeed regardless of whatever economic ideology happened to be mainstream at the time. 

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Irrelevant on both counts, as addressed above.

The 70s oil shock, and geopolitical competition,      gave birth to the abortion aka neoliberalism, in a misplaced effort to deal with the inflation caused by those two factors.   

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...and they were enslaved/colonized at the point of a  gun.  The colonialists didn't occupy those countries to share development with the natives.

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No, I want to replace our current fake 'freedom", greed-based neoliberal economic system with one which engenders universal well-being.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 26^th, 2022 at 1:23pm:


It has "sunk in"; of course primitive cultures will be swept away by more advanced ones, that's the history of the world.

But the maintenance of poverty is a choice enforced by the powerful...also the history of the world. 

But 'times are a changin', given that sufficiency, not scarcity, is upon us for the first time in history (since the hunter gatherers, that is....) 

issuevoter wrote on Nov 26^th, 2022 at 1:43pm:


No. You are being led astray by graps.

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The enforced idleness** among those who aren't park rangers - or otherwise employed - maintained by "sit down money", is the problem

** a systemic failing in our current NAIRU Thatcherite economic ideology.

http://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

"One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy***. This assumption has provided cover for the devastating social and economic costs of job insecurity. It is also false."

***"necessary", as posited by the evil NAIRU dogma of mainstream Thatcherite/neoliberal economics.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 26^th, 2022 at 2:06pm:


you claim modern life is better the h-g life,  you and I agree, but you speak of "relative poverty" - a straw man, which leads simpletons like issue voter astray.
There was no poverty in h-g societies, everyone shared nature's  ' bounty' ....

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Well for the sake of the argument I will agree such ideologues exists - though 'Nirvana' is a bit over the top even for these 'culture ideologues' you refer to.   

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And you are still refusing to acknowledge the disaster of the current mainstream NAIRU dogma..while apparently now arguing for a return to the h-g lifestyle..!!!!

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FFS... if you must ....just proving your inability to comprehend what I already said about 'relative poverty'.....a straw man comparing the h-g life with  modern life.

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"Richer" for choosing what you want to do; (disregarding you had to pay -with money, the white man's invention) for that '50+ foot two master'...) and you need to be able to live without ANY ambition at all and withdraw completely from the modern world ...confined to catching enough fish to stay alive...if it's possible to live on fish alone...

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Up to you to answer that question , as discussed above.  
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Well .....drinking rum requires access to white  man's poison....but apart from that, if he can forget the vast horizons opened up by modern life he has seen - eg, mastering technology for improvement in health, physically exploring space, etc, he can no doubt exist in that state.   

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Easily solved....as shown above.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 26^th, 2022 at 11:28pm:


Your confusion re the meaning of the word "poorer" is showing, even after you chastised me for refusing to acknowledge "relative poverty" ...as a result of YOUR confusion resulting from 'comparing apples, in this case the poverty-free, no-money h-g' economy, with oranges, the money-based modern economy with its entrenched poverty (based on lack of money for the least competitve). 

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Addressed and exploded, above. The modern world economy is a money-based economy with entrenched poverty. The ancient h-g world with no money had no entrenched poverty, only periodic famine which is a different thing.

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See ..here you go, off on your usual GIGO gambit, THERE WAS NO MONEY... or "rich" people  (measured by money) in the h-g world, nor was there any "poverty" measured by lack of money. 

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More GIGO....blacks receiving 'stipends' is NOT the h-g world, it's your evil "sit-down money" world.

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See your continuing confusion over the meaning of "rich" as measured by money, which has no relevance at all to the genuine long-gone h-g lifestyle. 

That confusion locks in your misunderstanding about money....and your complicity in maintaining the evil system of money creation by private financiers who use their sole privilege to create money, to charge governments austerity-entrenching interest on public-sector loans.

You ARE the barrier to closing the gap.   

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27^th, 2022 at 7:04pm:


And this straw man exists....where?

We are talking about the 3rd world conditions (poor health, poor housing, unemployed, alcohol- ravaged dysfunctional families) in camps outside the Alice, and the associated crime in the Alice; and dysfunctional alcohol- and poverty-ravaged  individuals seen in public buses and parks in Darwin, and the associated crime in Darwin and elsewhere ....all of which is manifested in the shocking statistics of the gap.   

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Even this character is better off than those living in the 3rd world conditions in the ghetto camps mentioned above

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None of this social dysfunction is simple, but let's see where your usual GIGO takes us.....

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Well (for the sake of the argument) this mythical individual has a house, so presumably he is somewhat more comfortable (protected from the elements) than his 1787 brethren. But poorer or richer? Measured how? 

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Because he is living in poverty, in 3rd world ghetto camps outside the Alice, or unemployed and living in poverty in Darwin etc. while the white citizens in those localities are obviously NOT living in poverty, and a have access to good housing, utilities etc.    

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But the black people living in poverty today ARE aware of "not having 'lectricity".

Of course, those who want their old h-g culture back are wanting the impossible, aided and abetted by culture vultures in the white-black academic community - and now apparently aided by your absurd proposition for a  h-g gatherer lifestyle supported by the dole.   

Education is a legal requirement for all citizens in the modern world, after which few people will choose the h-g lifestyle supported by the dole, hence social dysfunction and crime even supported by the dole is the usual outcome. 

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So you want to create  separate apartheid-like living conditions.....nice...and I thought you were railing against the division which you claim will result from constitutional recognition of the voice.

...the logical outcome of your usual GIGO analysis.