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The Aboriginal Voice referendum (Read 99886 times)
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Reply #225 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:19pm
 
Saw on Twitter today that the Nationals have come out against The Voice referendum.

First political party to officially declare their opposition to it?

I wonder if the Libs will also take that stance?




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#BREAKING The Nationals confirm they won’t support a Voice to Parliament. The leader David Littleproud says the party doesn’t believe the Voice would close the gap on Indigenous disadvantage ⁦
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https://twitter.com/annajhenderson/status/1597056904249081856



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Reply #226 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:41pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 12:41pm:
A relative of a Victorian Labor candidate who has described herself as a "proud Yorta Yorta woman" has said their family has no Indigenous ancestry and has never identified as Aboriginal.

Key points:
Labor candidate for Richmond Lauren O'Dwyer has described herself as "a proud Yorta Yorta woman"
A member of Ms O'Dwyer’s family says they have never identified as Aboriginal
Yorta Yorta community members say Ms O'Dwyer has failed to engage with the Yorta Yorta Nation Aboriginal Corporation and the Elders Council
Lauren O'Dwyer is running for election in the battleground seat of Richmond in Melbourne's inner north at this weekend's state election.

The ABC understands Ms O'Dwyer said her Indigenous heritage comes from her great-grandfather, Graham Berry.

However Mr Berry's daughter, Joan Keele, has told the ABC her father was not Aboriginal and never identified as Indigenous.

"My father was not … Aboriginal. His father was born in Swan Hill and his mother was born in Richmond," Ms Keele said.  "So he's nowhere near Yorta Yorta country.  We had a good relationship. We could chat about anything and everything, but [he] never, ever mentioned that."
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Sooooo.... would O'Dwyer - associate director of first nations foundations -  be eligible to be elected to the voice?  Have a look and see the power of self-identifying.....

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-21/lauren-odwyer-labor-candidate-aboriginal-...

She must be Aboriginal on the Bruce Pascie side of her family, what?  Shocked Undecided


yes, showing the absurdities of identity politics, and entrapment by "culture".
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Reply #227 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:44pm
 
The new Abbo voice:



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Reply #228 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:44pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:19pm:
Saw on Twitter today that the Nationals have come out against The Voice referendum.

First political party to officially declare their opposition to it?

I wonder if the Libs will also take that stance?


Another split in the coalition, already unelectable?







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Reply #229 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:44pm:


You are making Frank's mistake.

The voice wants to close the gap, not perpetuate it.

...regardless of what nonsense 'the voice' (other than Noel Pearson's voice) will come up with, in the usual misguided policies to close the gap.
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Reply #230 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:03pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:44pm:


You are making Frank's mistake.

The voice wants to close the gap, not perpetuate it.

...regardless of what nonsense 'the voice' (other than Noel Pearson's voice) will come up with, in the usual misguided policies to close the gap.



White people introduced:
grog,
cigarettes,
drugs and
shocking European diseases into Australia.

that is why Abbos are going extinct -
they are an endangered species and there's little we can do now to stop it.
I mean - they even sniff petrol - there's no hope for them.
A voice is a waste of time.

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Reply #231 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:19pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:03pm:
A voice is a waste of time.


The fact is there are about 300,000 (real) blacks in Oz, many of whom are living in 3rd world conditions.

As a nation we MUST deal with this, brushing the problem aside is not an option. 
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Reply #232 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 4:18pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:19pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:03pm:
A voice is a waste of time.


The fact is there are about 300,000 (real) blacks in Oz, many of whom are living in 3rd world conditions.

As a nation we MUST deal with this, brushing the problem aside is not an option. 


That is not the issue here - the issue here is whether or not they should have a separate voice to Parliament enshrined in the constitution. Try to stick with that for a while, would you?

All their other issues are just long term window dressing in this discussion.  Take them up elsewhere, you are clogging up discussion of this voice nonsense.

Let them fix their own problems like everyone else has to.
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Reply #233 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 4:21pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:44pm:


You are making Frank's mistake.

The voice wants to close the gap, not perpetuate it.

...regardless of what nonsense 'the voice' (other than Noel Pearson's voice) will come up with, in the usual misguided policies to close the gap.


Christ you go around in circles- 'wanting' to close some gap is not the same as doing something to close that gap IF that gap exists in reality.  You already said, over and over, that this 'voice' silliness will close no gaps... so FCS leave it!

Can you just, for one day, stick to the issue of whether or not some mythical voice should be installed in our constitution that permits inside running on every issue and will cause endless trouble?  For five minutes - just stop being yourself, don-kay?
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Reply #234 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 4:23pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:19pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:03pm:
A voice is a waste of time.


The fact is there are about 300,000 (real) blacks in Oz, many of whom are living in 3rd world conditions.

As a nation we MUST deal with this, brushing the problem aside is not an option. 


Not my problem... I have no say and no impact on any of their problems..... there is no problem to be brushed aside since there is no problem for the majority here who have no real voice anyway.  the problem belongs to the Abos alone, and they should fix it instead of brushing it aside under their 'traditional' nonsense that is so anachronistic and does not even exist these days.
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Reply #235 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 4:38pm
 
...... is a shot duck ....................


...... breaking news......... an anonymous philanthropist.... known only as El Grapplo .... has opened a fund raiser to assist Dominic Perrotet in paying the rent to the Aborigines without impinging on public rights to use their own national parks .....
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Reply #236 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 6:15pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:44pm:


That is secret men's VB business.
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Reply #237 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 10:35am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 1:44pm:


You are making Frank's mistake.

The voice wants to close the gap, not perpetuate it.

...regardless of what nonsense 'the voice' (other than Noel Pearson's voice) will come up with, in the usual misguided policies to close the gap.

How? What will the voice do to close the gap that is not done now? How will it do it?

Explain.

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Reply #238 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 10:50am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 4:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:19pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 2:03pm:
A voice is a waste of time.


The fact is there are about 300,000 (real) blacks in Oz, many of whom are living in 3rd world conditions.

As a nation we MUST deal with this, brushing the problem aside is not an option. 


That is not the issue here - the issue here is whether or not they should have a separate voice to Parliament enshrined in the constitution. Try to stick with that for a while, would you?


Not the issue? Littleproud himself was on ABC RN this morning, defending the National's position to vote no for a voice referendum, by saying the voice will do nothing to close the gap.

Hence it IS the issue.

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All their other issues are just long term window dressing in this discussion.  Take them up elsewhere, you are clogging up discussion of this voice nonsense.

Let them fix their own problems like everyone else has to.


Like to say something to Littleproud"?

Noel Pearson has already had his say on Littleproud (on ABC RN an hour later: "a kindergarden leader with little pride"...ouch....)

But as to "let them fix their own problems" ( ie close the gap),  Pearson also exposed your world view for what it is:  free market ideology based on blind self-interest manifested in a survival of the fittest competition for the nation's resources.

He named the usual free market ideologues: the IPA, the CIS (the a**holes responsible for cancelling the CDEP), Tom Switzer (IPA chief who has a slot on the lib. govt-mandated  "balanced" ABC, called 'Between The Lines"), and Janet Albrechtsen, conservative journalist with 'The Australian', and enthusiast for Maggie Thatcher.
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Reply #239 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 11:34am
 
Who do these people speak for, whose voice ARE they?

Linda Burney
Noel Pearson
Jacinta Price
Lividia Thorpe
Warren Mundine
Pat Dodson
Ken Wyatt
Jackie Lambie
Etc, etc, State and territory MPs.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_...

If they are not sufficient, who ELSE needs to be elected go the voice???  And if they are NOT sufficient or effective voices, what the hell are they doing in parliament?


The voice is a stupid idea and it divides Australians and will prevent reconciliation.  You cannot mandate respect for any group of people or any individual. Respect cannot be legislated. It has to be earned. Plenty of Aborigines have earned genuine respect.  The dysfunctional, violent ones will not be respected unless they change. No voice will make them palatable or respectable. They must earn it or remain despised and dysfunctional lowlifes.
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