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Reply #405 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 5:00pm

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Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 9:42am:

Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims.
Thomas Sowell

Sowell in full blown, frankly evil mode.

Design an economy in which inflation is controlled by unemployment, eg, central bankers raise interest rates to deliberately increase unemployment to bring down inflation...and then accuse the unemployed of being parasites.

Sheer evil.

And you are a sheer ijit. An overblown, unmoored, sheer ijit.

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Reply #406 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 5:08pm

Frank wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 2:54pm:

JobSeeker allowance denied
Ms Lebski is able to work limited hours from home as a graphic designer, but it hasn't provided her with enough income. Three months ago, she applied for a JobSeeker allowance with a medical exemption.

But because she lives with her partner, she was refused. "He's not earning millions of dollars himself. It doesn't go that far with the cost of food, fuel, electricity, everything," she said. "The whole idea that living with a spouse in 2022 means that that person is paying everything for you is ridiculous. It puts an incredible amount of pressure on that spouse to share their income, when they may not be in a position themselves to even be able to do that, and that's the case with us."

She said her parents help her financially with the cost of rent, food and medical expenses.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/calls-for-support-for-people-living-with-...

"Often these patients need input from physiotherapists, massage therapists, they may need social workers, psychologists as well as other medical specialists," said AMA federal vice-president Dr Danielle McMullen.

"It can be unaffordable and it can also be time-consuming and difficult to navigate.

"We do need changes to Medicare and general practice and the way our practice teams function to make sure we've got some flexible funding that allows us to bring in a health care team.

"We would like to see more investment in research as well as clear clinical guidelines as well as that multidisciplinary support of patients who have long COVID."

It's a struggle....

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84496 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #407 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 11:11pm Politician couples don't take a pay cut in retirement because of their spouse's income...... Different strokes.... shows how far out of touch those turkeys are... Why do we feed them?
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #408 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 12:32pm

Frank wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 5:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 18^th, 2022 at 11:31pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 9:42am:

Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims.
Thomas Sowell

Sowell in full blown, frankly evil mode.

Design an economy in which inflation is controlled by unemployment, eg, central bankers raise interest rates to deliberately increase unemployment to bring down inflation...and then accuse the unemployed of being parasites.

Sheer evil.

And you are a sheer ijit. An overblown, unmoored, sheer ijit.

Er ...Frank, you forgot to explain my error in: " central bankers raise interest rates to deliberately increase unemployment to bring down inflation***...and then accuse the unemployed of being parasites".... as Sowell did, in implying in his remark that " Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims".

***5 years at 6% unemployment or 1 year at 10%: That’s what Larry Summers says we’ll need to defeat inflation

https://fortune.com/2022/06/21/larry-summers-calls-for-high-unemployment-to-curb...

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #409 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:00pm

Frank wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

"Often these patients need input from physiotherapists, massage therapists, they may need social workers, psychologists as well as other medical specialists," said AMA federal vice-president Dr Danielle McMullen.

"It can be unaffordable and it can also be time-consuming and difficult to navigate.

Of course you are describing a systemic problem -resulting in many in the population becoming "patients" instead of self-supporting workers, as described in The Case for a Job Guarantee, by P. Tcherneva.

http://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

"One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy. This assumption has provided cover for the devastating social and economic costs of job insecurity. It is also false.

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It's a struggle

Indeed, when the neoliberal market economy demands a level of unemployment to control wages and inflation, and central bankers make it worse by jacking up interest rates to reduce inflation - the wrong action.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/fed-interest-rate-increases-counter...

"All pain and no gain from higher interest rates"

Joseph Stiglitz.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84496 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #410 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 6:44am https://www.advanceaustralia.org.au/pearson_goes_full_toddler_over_price_s_voice...
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Reply #411 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 7:23am

I think on Wednesday 7.30 ABC, there was a good interview about "The voice" ( not the singer show). The problem with it was that the aboriginal who was being interviewed did not appear to be aboriginal. That, in itself, is not an issue, but it seems that the media favours mixed blood people.
When asked what the "voice" and the constitutional amendment would contain, the person rambled on without anything specific until the interview ended. She could not just say she did not know. I was disappointed. I wanted to hear what aboriginals actually want in the amendment.

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Reply #412 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 8:33am

issuevoter wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 7:23am:

I think on Wednesday 7.30 ABC, there was a good interview about "The voice" ( not the singer show). The problem with it was that the aboriginal who was being interviewed did not appear to be aboriginal. That, in itself, is not an issue, but it seems that the media favours mixed blood people.
When asked what the "voice" and the constitutional amendment would contain, the person rambled on without anything specific until the interview ended. She could not just say she did not know. I was disappointed. I wanted to hear what aboriginals actually want in the amendment.

Sit on their arse money for those who can grab the seats, and buggar all for the rest apart from endless confrontation with the majority, disputation in the courts at every level of government, and rising racial problems.... these activists imagine they are going to be like the majority Blacks in South Africa and take back the land etc that they never used for anything except walking on.... at least the Africans raised cattle and corn etc...

3% of the population can NOT control 97% ... there endeth the lesson..

Albo, for all his posturing and looking tough on camera, would have to be one of the most weak-kneed PMs we've ever had - and given recent history - that's saying something... just a weak mouth-piece for those who've stacked Labor branches and the Union movement....

Poor Fellow - My Country - with a choice between Albo, what's-'is-name and Barnaby for our Great Leader... not to mention their respective parties... any thinking person is forced to vote for the pigs-in-a-poke who make up the only ones who say NO to all this nonsense.

Poor Fellow - My Country ...... (a novel out of Africa, BTW) ...

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #413 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 9:35am

issuevoter wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 7:23am:

I think on Wednesday 7.30 ABC, there was a good interview about "The voice" ( not the singer show). The problem with it was that the aboriginal who was being interviewed did not appear to be aboriginal. That, in itself, is not an issue, but it seems that the media favours mixed blood people.
When asked what the "voice" and the constitutional amendment would contain, the person rambled on without anything specific until the interview ended. She could not just say she did not know. I was disappointed. I wanted to hear what aboriginals actually want in the amendment.

She is a constitutional lawyer in Sydney's posh Eastern Suburbs university, UNSW.

Her main rationale for the Voice: governments will have to actually do what the Voice tells them to. The current multitude of Aboriginal bodies, committees, councils etc just talk, talk, talk. But the Voice will have to be listened to and what it says will have to be done.

She knows that once it's in the Constitution the Voice's advice will have to be actioned or the government will be taken to the High Court and its actions 'corrected' by the High Court.

The Voice will be our Masters' Voice - and it will not be the voice of the drunken illiterate outback Aborigines voice but of the city academics' voice.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-21/why-megan-davis-remains-optimistic-about-...

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Reply #414 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 9:56am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 10:45am:

Frank wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 10:04am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 18^th, 2022 at 11:31pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 9:42am:

Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims.
Thomas Sowell

Sowell in full blown, frankly evil mode.

Design an economy in which inflation is controlled by unemployment, eg, central bankers raise interest rates to deliberately increase unemployment to bring down inflation...and then accuse the unemployed of being parasites.

Sheer evil.

“People who pride themselves on their "complexity" and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”

The truth is the state should guarantee above poverty employment for everyone, since the free market economy rewards the most competitive but leaves the least competitive to merely survive in poverty on the dole.
Simplicity itself. The complexity is the evil NAIRU dogma of neoliberal economics.

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“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”

Indeed, but if the state is forced to take your money (through taxes) to educate you, then it might be smart to look at why the state is forced to do this, when the state can create its own currency.

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“The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.”

That 'first lesson ' is obsolete, now that robots and IT are heavily involved in every field of production. There is no scarcity in the modern global economy, only the evil convention reserving the privilege of money creation to profit-seeking private sector financiers.

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"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.”

Sowell mimicking Thatcher?

Certainly, both are not "intellectuals" ...

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“When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.”

Being forced to subsist on the dole isn't "preferential treatment". See how evil simpletons like Thatcher and Sowell are?

And yet there is......especially in food production.

We don't eat production line material goods.

Mother Nature has the final say in our food production.

Right now in Australia because of the widespread flooding in the Murray/Darling system there are shortages in crops.

You cannot even buy good old Dim Sims because there is a huge cabbage shortage due to flooding.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #415 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 12:52pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 9:56am: