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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #435 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:26am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 7:20am:

A lot of right wing arseholes are making a lot of assumptions about the voice and how it will work considering "nobody knows any of the details yet"???

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Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
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But to you it doesnt matter how it will work - or not - , you are all for it in your deep, abiding ignorance, AND proud of it.

Is he? I'm sorry i've had a look back and i can't see where Phil is "all for it"?

You not being reactionary again, are you old boy?

Thank's Mothra....However unless people know what they are voting for any referendum won't get up IMO....Fwank is just full of crap as usual....The claims made by these right wing wankers are all bullshit because nobody knows what the voice will look like....Most reasonable people would wait until they know what they are talking about before making dickheads of themselves???

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You'd think. But this is Ozpol. This is the feeding ground for Sky "news" devotees.

I shouldn't say breeding. This is god's waiting room. No new life here.

They come here to congratulate each other on their bigotry and shriek hysterically at any voice that challenges them.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #436 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:29am

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 7:20am:

A lot of right wing arseholes are making a lot of assumptions about the voice and how it will work considering "nobody knows any of the details yet"???

Roll Eyes

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
Dale Carnegie

But to you it doesnt matter how it will work - or not - , you are all for it in your deep, abiding ignorance, AND proud of it.

Is he? I'm sorry i've had a look back and i can't see where Phil is "all for it"?

You not being reactionary again, are you old boy?

Thank's Mothra....However unless people know what they are voting for any referendum won't get up IMO....Fwank is just full of crap as usual....The claims made by these right wing wankers are all bullshit because nobody knows what the voice will look like....Most reasonable people would wait until they know what they are talking about before making dickheads of themselves???

Roll Eyes

You'd think. But this is Ozpol. This is the feeding ground for Sky "news" devotees.

I shouldn't say breeding. This is god's waiting room. No new life here.

They come here to congratulate each other on their bigotry and shriek hysterically at any voice that challenges them.

Sooooo.... both of you Vicky Pollards would vote NO if the referendum was held now because there is not enough detail about the Voice? Or is it wrong to think that you would vote YES as things are known today but also wrong to think you'd vote NO?

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #437 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:31am

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:29am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 7:20am:

A lot of right wing arseholes are making a lot of assumptions about the voice and how it will work considering "nobody knows any of the details yet"???

Roll Eyes

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
Dale Carnegie

But to you it doesnt matter how it will work - or not - , you are all for it in your deep, abiding ignorance, AND proud of it.

Is he? I'm sorry i've had a look back and i can't see where Phil is "all for it"?

You not being reactionary again, are you old boy?

Thank's Mothra....However unless people know what they are voting for any referendum won't get up IMO....Fwank is just full of crap as usual....The claims made by these right wing wankers are all bullshit because nobody knows what the voice will look like....Most reasonable people would wait until they know what they are talking about before making dickheads of themselves???

Roll Eyes

You'd think. But this is Ozpol. This is the feeding ground for Sky "news" devotees.

I shouldn't say breeding. This is god's waiting room. No new life here.

They come here to congratulate each other on their bigotry and shriek hysterically at any voice that challenges them.

Sooooo.... both of you Vicky Pollards would vote NO if the referendum was held now because there is not enough detail about the Voice? Or is it wrong to think that you would vote YES as things are known today but also wrong to think you'd vote NO?

I think your thinking is diseased.

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #438 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:36am

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:31am:

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:29am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 7:20am:

A lot of right wing arseholes are making a lot of assumptions about the voice and how it will work considering "nobody knows any of the details yet"???

Roll Eyes

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
Dale Carnegie

But to you it doesnt matter how it will work - or not - , you are all for it in your deep, abiding ignorance, AND proud of it.

Is he? I'm sorry i've had a look back and i can't see where Phil is "all for it"?

You not being reactionary again, are you old boy?

Thank's Mothra....However unless people know what they are voting for any referendum won't get up IMO....Fwank is just full of crap as usual....The claims made by these right wing wankers are all bullshit because nobody knows what the voice will look like....Most reasonable people would wait until they know what they are talking about before making dickheads of themselves???

Roll Eyes

You'd think. But this is Ozpol. This is the feeding ground for Sky "news" devotees.

I shouldn't say breeding. This is god's waiting room. No new life here.

They come here to congratulate each other on their bigotry and shriek hysterically at any voice that challenges them.

Sooooo.... both of you Vicky Pollards would vote NO if the referendum was held now because there is not enough detail about the Voice? Or is it wrong to think that you would vote YES as things are known today but also wrong to think you'd vote NO?

I think your thinking is diseased.

So..... would you vote YES or NO on the basis of known details?

Not a difficult question, even for you. Or is it?

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #439 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:50am

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:31am:

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:29am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 7:20am:

A lot of right wing arseholes are making a lot of assumptions about the voice and how it will work considering "nobody knows any of the details yet"???

Roll Eyes

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
Dale Carnegie

But to you it doesnt matter how it will work - or not - , you are all for it in your deep, abiding ignorance, AND proud of it.

Is he? I'm sorry i've had a look back and i can't see where Phil is "all for it"?

You not being reactionary again, are you old boy?

Thank's Mothra....However unless people know what they are voting for any referendum won't get up IMO....Fwank is just full of crap as usual....The claims made by these right wing wankers are all bullshit because nobody knows what the voice will look like....Most reasonable people would wait until they know what they are talking about before making dickheads of themselves???

Roll Eyes

You'd think. But this is Ozpol. This is the feeding ground for Sky "news" devotees.

I shouldn't say breeding. This is god's waiting room. No new life here.

They come here to congratulate each other on their bigotry and shriek hysterically at any voice that challenges them.

Sooooo.... both of you Vicky Pollards would vote NO if the referendum was held now because there is not enough detail about the Voice? Or is it wrong to think that you would vote YES as things are known today but also wrong to think you'd vote NO?

I think your thinking is diseased.

So..... would you vote YES or NO on the basis of known details?

Not a difficult question, even for you. Or is it?

On known details? I would abstain. As would probably most of the posters you;ve attacked for not being as zealous as you.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #440 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 11:12am It is being touted as YES/NO vote on an Indigenous Voice in Parliament. It will probably not be. More likely, it will be a Yes or No on allowing politicians in Canberra to change the constitution. Why would you let them do that, without scrutiny? Oh, I get. They promise to explain everything afterwards.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #441 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 11:21am

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:50am:

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:31am:

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:29am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:26am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

mothra wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Frank wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 7:20am:

A lot of right wing arseholes are making a lot of assumptions about the voice and how it will work considering "nobody knows any of the details yet"???

Roll Eyes

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
Dale Carnegie

But to you it doesnt matter how it will work - or not - , you are all for it in your deep, abiding ignorance, AND proud of it.

Is he? I'm sorry i've had a look back and i can't see where Phil is "all for it"?

You not being reactionary again, are you old boy?

Thank's Mothra....However unless people know what they are voting for any referendum won't get up IMO....Fwank is just full of crap as usual....The claims made by these right wing wankers are all bullshit because nobody knows what the voice will look like....Most reasonable people would wait until they know what they are talking about before making dickheads of themselves???

Roll Eyes

You'd think. But this is Ozpol. This is the feeding ground for Sky "news" devotees.

I shouldn't say breeding. This is god's waiting room. No new life here.

They come here to congratulate each other on their bigotry and shriek hysterically at any voice that challenges them.

Sooooo.... both of you Vicky Pollards would vote NO if the referendum was held now because there is not enough detail about the Voice? Or is it wrong to think that you would vote YES as things are known today but also wrong to think you'd vote NO?

I think your thinking is diseased.

So..... would you vote YES or NO on the basis of known details?

Not a difficult question, even for you. Or is it?

On known details? I would abstain. As would probably most of the posters you;ve attacked for not being as zealous as you.

Abstain - a cowardly NO.
Why not say NO? Too wacist?

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #442 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 11:51am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 6:51am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 6:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

you can discuss life expectancy etc any time but not in a thread about this 'voice' nonsense...

you refuse to see the connection between the economy, the gap and the voice.

you are at least as dangerous as the voice fanatics, since the gap must be closed, failure is not an option.

There is no connection..................

only to you because you can't see it; owing to your delusional every man for himself ideology.

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everyone agrees that this silly voice proposal (no parachutes yet) will not help their real problems one iota and will instead just be trouble for everybody

Well you and I agree....and the Right is divided .....but apparently polls show a majority want the voice because they think it will assist in closing the gap.

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yet you persist... it is you who are the dangerous one apparently playing what you think is a very sneaky game to try and sneak this over the line by whining about economic issues instead of social issues ....... your way was tried - it failed like every other initiative to lift the Kaffir by his bootstraps out of his self-imposed dung heap.

Well yes, I'll own up: the Job Guarantee to close the gap is a way to expose the failings of the current dys- functional economic market orthodoxy which forces the least competitive onto the unemployment scrap heap.

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The very aptly named Mt Warning is showing us what will be the endless carry-on and insanity when any of that kind are given a free voice to control things.... wait for the eruption of 'sacred sites' requiring lock-outs that come about with this NON-FREEHOLD gift of an immense swathe of land up northern NSW - and you imagine the majority of people here are stupid enough to vote that into our constitution... clearly it is not I who am the enemy of the state here or the danger to society............... I am merely the message bearer of truth ... truthteller you see .............

a "truth-teller"... with no understanding of how the current economic "groupthink" forces the least competitive onto the unemployment scrap heap.

So you are responsible for bringing the 'cultural warriors' onto yourself.

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Remember Castro? Well - to take his line -history will absolve me ... to add to it - but it will certainly hang you ............

I'm intrigued by the US; a ballooning national debt which has orthodox economists and the ordinary unknowing citizens in uproar, when of course there is no problem, because the US treasury and central bank can't run out of US dollars.....

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84481 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #443 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 12:10pm Wrong on all fronts - the polls have been posted for you in real.... they do not show a majority wanting this at all ... I have yet to meet a single person including an Aboriginal, who wants this ... and the Aborigines know the truth of it same as anyone else with eyes and ears ...
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #444 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 1:21pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 12:10pm:

Wrong on all fronts - the polls have been posted for you in real.... they do not show a majority wanting this at all ... I have yet to meet a single person including an Aboriginal, who wants this ... and the Aborigines know the truth of it same as anyone else with eyes and ears ...

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/53-of-australians-would-vote-yes-to-establish...

December 20, 2022
53% of Australians would vote “Yes” to establish an ‘Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice to Parliament’

Including in a majority of states.

I thought it was higher than 53%...probably falling over time....

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84481 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #445 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 5:37pm Just a glitch..... The general consensus is definitely NO - only a total fool would vote for it.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #446 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:30pm I might vote for it, but I would have to see what I'm voting for first.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #447 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:46pm

issuevoter wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 11:12am:

It is being touted as YES/NO vote on an Indigenous Voice in Parliament. It will probably not be. More likely, it will be a Yes or No on allowing politicians in Canberra to change the constitution. Why would you let them do that, without scrutiny? Oh, I get. They promise to explain everything afterwards.

Exactly!!!

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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #448 - Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:49pm

issuevoter wrote on Dec 25^th, 2022 at 10:30pm:

I might vote for it, but I would have to see what I'm voting for first.

I feel the same mate....However I feel there as been a bit of hyperbole over a proposal that has not been put to the Australian people yet....I will wait and see what is proposed before deciding either way???

Huh

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21580 ACT Gender:	Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum Reply #449 - Dec 26^th, 2022 at 6:39am NO!!
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Question: Will the referendum be voted in?
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No 42 (75.0%) Yes 14 (25.0%) Total votes: 56 « Last Modified by: Redmond Neck on: Feb 25^th, 2023 at 11:17am »