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Reply #4410 - May 21st, 2024 at 10:32am
 
The fact that so many are still crying about the voice shows it was never about the voice.

It was, and continues to be, jealousy and prejudice that has been burning for so long with these people that it's matured into outright hatred towards indigenous Australians.

No surprise, but it is sad.

I've barely been around since Feb, and the usual suspects are acting like they lost the vote for the voice, still...

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Reply #4411 - May 21st, 2024 at 10:38am
 
SK obviously is trying to hide the Voice By Stealth movement or is simply unable to see it in front of his own eyes.

It's OK, SK - I'm working on the book now... you'll soon have it all in front of you along with all the signs and fences saying - No Entry Unless You Belong To Our Tiny Mob - and are paying for everything up to and including rent to your Lords of the Land for your water and air and place to build a home on at their pleasure.

So dumb, some of you.  If they want to own land, they can buy it now - walking across it doesn't mean I own the beach, does it?

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Reply #4412 - May 21st, 2024 at 3:21pm
 
You really need professional help.

Your problem is that you see any discussion, proposed policy or legislation that in any way assists indigenous Australians in "the voice by stealth".

And it's by choice, I don't think you're that stupid.

It's very telling because it exposes you attempting to use the shield of "the voice" to mask your true intentions.

You never took issue with the mechanism of the Voice to help improve the lives and opportunities of our Indigenous brothers and sisters, your issue has always been with helping them and treating them as part of our society, or just them, full stop.

When the voice failed, you weren't out there proposing better solutions, you're just fighting everything while angrily crying tears of "omg the voice by stealth!!!!!!".

You don't want any time, effort or money to be spent on them and even go as far as advocating for rounding them all up and locking them away to separate them from the rest of us.

I can't believe we need to ask, but you realise the voice debate was settled in the negative right? 

You won.

You're shedding tears as if you lot lost...

It's probably been the worst outcome for you because it took away the cover you were using to spout your prejudice towards them, which is why you're trying to link everything to "the voice by stealth" with this and your various lawfare threads.

The fact is that none of the examples you highlight has anything to do with the Voice, only indigenous australians.

You're just using it as a catch-all to be outraged without having to say you hate indigenous Australians and want to lock them up and shoot them, or was it sell tickets to people to go shoot them, I can't remember after all this time...

I honestly can't believe you're still going on about this.  It really is sad and pathetic.  But better on here where you feel safe to spout your hate because you're either too cowardly to attach your real name to any of this, or there is nobody left in your life who will listen.
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #4413 - May 21st, 2024 at 5:10pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 3:21pm:
You really need professional help.

Your problem is that you see any discussion, proposed policy or legislation that in any way assists indigenous Australians in "the voice by stealth".

And it's by choice, I don't think you're that stupid.

It's very telling because it exposes you attempting to use the shield of "the voice" to mask your true intentions.

You never took issue with the mechanism of the Voice to help improve the lives and opportunities of our Indigenous brothers and sisters, your issue has always been with helping them and treating them as part of our society, or just them, full stop.

When the voice failed, you weren't out there proposing better solutions, you're just fighting everything while angrily crying tears of "omg the voice by stealth!!!!!!".

You don't want any time, effort or money to be spent on them and even go as far as advocating for rounding them all up and locking them away to separate them from the rest of us.

I can't believe we need to ask, but you realise the voice debate was settled in the negative right? 

You won.

You're shedding tears as if you lot lost...

It's probably been the worst outcome for you because it took away the cover you were using to spout your prejudice towards them, which is why you're trying to link everything to "the voice by stealth" with this and your various lawfare threads.

The fact is that none of the examples you highlight has anything to do with the Voice, only indigenous australians.

You're just using it as a catch-all to be outraged without having to say you hate indigenous Australians and want to lock them up and shoot them, or was it sell tickets to people to go shoot them, I can't remember after all this time...

I honestly can't believe you're still going on about this.  It really is sad and pathetic.  But better on here where you feel safe to spout your hate because you're either too cowardly to attach your real name to any of this, or there is nobody left in your life who will listen.



Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Reply #4414 - May 21st, 2024 at 5:15pm
 
Which planet are you on SK?

So far out of touch with reality that you are no longer a joke - you are positively dangerous and are part of the problem and not the solution.

Now then about my agreement with Mansell about an Aboriginal Homeland .... round 'em up and slip 'em up there.... see how they go without us... 'do things their way' as they demand. 

Ausrael/Abestine Two State Solution - no problem.... better than the inevitable civil war your kind are creating ... an inevitable follow-on from the Death of a Thousand Cuts....

You are so dumb it can't be a natural state.... which party is paying you?
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Reply #4415 - May 21st, 2024 at 6:28pm
 
Now then - Sad Kangaroo - which  of those links to Aboriginal activism amounting to pursuit of the demands of the voice do you disagree with and why.  Where are the falsehoods in them and why do they not end up totaling, by covering, every demand of the Voice, bit by bit?

Maybe you could start with these 'treaties'.....

If you need any help, I'm sure I could give you some.... now try the truth for a change.. and stay off that weed or whatever is affecting your mind...

I think Abestinian Park is an excellent idea - save everyone a lot of trouble.

HERE, BOY:-

https://www.referendumcouncil.org.au/sites/default/files/2017-05/Uluru_Statement...

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Document-14-1.pdf



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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #4416 - May 21st, 2024 at 6:51pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 3:21pm:
You really need professional help.

Your problem is that you see any discussion, proposed policy or legislation that in any way assists indigenous Australians in "the voice by stealth".

And it's by choice, I don't think you're that stupid.

It's very telling because it exposes you attempting to use the shield of "the voice" to mask your true intentions.

You never took issue with the mechanism of the Voice to help improve the lives and opportunities of our Indigenous brothers and sisters, your issue has always been with helping them and treating them as part of our society, or just them, full stop.

When the voice failed, you weren't out there proposing better solutions, you're just fighting everything while angrily crying tears of "omg the voice by stealth!!!!!!".

You don't want any time, effort or money to be spent on them and even go as far as advocating for rounding them all up and locking them away to separate them from the rest of us.

I can't believe we need to ask, but you realise the voice debate was settled in the negative right? 

You won.

You're shedding tears as if you lot lost...

It's probably been the worst outcome for you because it took away the cover you were using to spout your prejudice towards them, which is why you're trying to link everything to "the voice by stealth" with this and your various lawfare threads.

The fact is that none of the examples you highlight has anything to do with the Voice, only indigenous australians.

You're just using it as a catch-all to be outraged without having to say you hate indigenous Australians and want to lock them up and shoot them, or was it sell tickets to people to go shoot them, I can't remember after all this time...

I honestly can't believe you're still going on about this.  It really is sad and pathetic.  But better on here where you feel safe to spout your hate because you're either too cowardly to attach your real name to any of this, or there is nobody left in your life who will listen.

Guff.

Most Aborigines are doing well since most of them are only incidentally ' Aboriginal ' having a a half Aboriginal  parent or grandparent. So most 'Aborigines' are mostly non-Aboriginese by any measure.

The real, stuck in the Dreamtime Aborigines, are ruined. You can provide palliative care but no cure or recovery. They are kept in human zoos in remote areas by their city do-gooder kin and white helpers.
A bit like the Palestinians. The alcoholism, wife beating, niece raping is tolerated only because they are done in dusty camps a thousand miles from civilisation. The Aboriginal aristocracy in Melbourne, Sydney, Perth would not tolerate it next to their inner city or suburban houses.



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Reply #4417 - May 22nd, 2024 at 10:03am
 
You're both proving my point. 

It was never about the Voice being the wrong method to assist in closing the gap, but the notion of the gap being closed that so triggers you.

You'd think that post-referendum you'd be pushing for better tools and methods to help close the gap since the only legitimate reason to object to the voice was on the grounds of an objection to constitutional change to achieve it.  The being the voice was just the wrong way of getting there.

But instead, anything that does appear to assist in supporting the aim of closing the gap, you fight against it too, trying to call it the "voice by stealth" so you can keep the cover you so richly enjoyed during the lead-up to the vote.

And instead of addressing that, you turn the attention onto me, like anything I say or do in the time I've been away from the forum has anything to do with your actions and rhetoric during that time...

Yeah, my stance influences you to be a bigot lol...
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Reply #4418 - May 22nd, 2024 at 10:14am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 10:03am:
You're both proving my point. 

It was never about the Voice being the wrong method to assist in closing the gap, but the notion of the gap being closed that so triggers you.

You'd think that post-referendum you'd be pushing for better tools and methods to help close the gap since the only legitimate reason to object to the voice was on the grounds of an objection to constitutional change to achieve it.  The being the voice was just the wrong way of getting there.

But instead, anything that does appear to assist in supporting the aim of closing the gap, you fight against it too, trying to call it the "voice by stealth" so you can keep the cover you so richly enjoyed during the lead-up to the vote.

And instead of addressing that, you turn the attention onto me, like anything I say or do in the time I've been away from the forum has anything to do with your actions and rhetoric during that time...

Yeah, my stance influences you to be a bigot lol...



The "gap" between you and Burney, Davis, Pearson, Mundine, Price, Dodson, Langton, Mayo et al is to your disadvantage. So Aboriginality in itself is not a determinant of the "gap". Aborigines who go to school, get a job, live in an unbroken family, work and lead an ordinary life have no disadvantage of any kind. In many cases you wouldn't know they are Aborigines if they didn't volunteer the info.

ANYBODY - aboriginal, Irish, Chinese, Italian, African - would experience severe disadvantage if he dropped out of school, didn't work, got pissed by midday, beat the wife and neglect and abuse his children. 

The question is - why do so many Aborigines fall into the latter category compared to any other group?

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Reply #4419 - May 22nd, 2024 at 10:35am
 
Displacement and dispossession of an ethnicity and ethnoculture by a foreign. dominant ethnicity/ethnoculture necessarily creates an underclass of the displaced and dispossessed.

We all derive our sense of well-being and place in the world primarily through the status of our ethnoculture relative to those it can be compared to, or against those it must compete.

One of the effects of nation-states' hard borders is the capacity for ethnic myths and propaganda to grow and create a sense of relative ethnocultural superiority within those borders.


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Reply #4420 - May 22nd, 2024 at 10:59am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 10:35am:
Displacement and dispossession of an ethnicity and ethnoculture by a foreign. dominant ethnicity/ethnoculture necessarily creates an underclass of the displaced and dispossessed.

We all derive our sense of well-being and place in the world primarily through the status of our ethnoculture relative to those it can be compared to, or against those it must compete.

One of the effects of nation-states' hard borders is the capacity for ethnic myths and propaganda to grow and create a sense of relative ethnocultural superiority within those borders.




Oh...!? Is that your own idea?

Is THAT what makes some Aborigines drunken, violent layabouts and others ministers of the crown, doctors, senators and university professors??



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Reply #4421 - May 22nd, 2024 at 11:04am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 10:32am:
The fact that so many are still crying about the voice shows it was never about the voice.

It was, and continues to be, jealousy and prejudice that has been burning for so long with these people that it's matured into outright hatred towards indigenous Australians.

No surprise, but it is sad.

I've barely been around since Feb, and the usual suspects are acting like they lost the vote for the voice, still...




Incorrect ..... any so called "crying" is about the fact that despite the result of the referendum ... the Labor states are pushing ahead with state based a "Voice" and Treaties ....

As there are 7 out of 8 States& Territories under Labor administration that would present as an introduction of a Voice by stealth.

Yet Sth Australia who were the 1st state to run an election for an Aboriginal Voice saw less than 10% of eligible Aboriginals turn out.

30,000 people were eligible to vote, but only 2,583 formal ballots were counted.

Seems that even Sth Australian Aboriginals, many of whom also had a vote in the national referendum & voted "no" as did the state on a whole at 60% NO .... don't want a State Voice to Parliament either.

Any hatred that has been engendered as a result of the Voice propaganda has been directed towards the Aboriginal activists and supporters of this divisive campaign.

A similar hatred is being engendered towards all these pro-Palestinian activists protesting and breeding unfettered anti-Semitism and Jew hating on our streets & University campuses.

People like you support politics of division and hatred.
Hypocrites writ large.
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Reply #4422 - May 22nd, 2024 at 11:04am
 
Frank wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 10:59am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 10:35am:
Displacement and dispossession of an ethnicity and ethnoculture by a foreign. dominant ethnicity/ethnoculture necessarily creates an underclass of the displaced and dispossessed.

We all derive our sense of well-being and place in the world primarily through the status of our ethnoculture relative to those it can be compared to, or against those it must compete.

One of the effects of nation-states' hard borders is the capacity for ethnic myths and propaganda to grow and create a sense of relative ethnocultural superiority within those borders.




Oh...!? Is that your own idea?

Is THAT what makes some Aborigines drunken, violent layabouts and others ministers of the crown, doctors, senators and university professors??

How many Aboriginal ministers of the crown, doctors, senators and university professors are also multi-ethnic?
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Reply #4423 - May 22nd, 2024 at 11:12am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 11:04am:
Frank wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 10:59am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 10:35am:
Displacement and dispossession of an ethnicity and ethnoculture by a foreign. dominant ethnicity/ethnoculture necessarily creates an underclass of the displaced and dispossessed.

We all derive our sense of well-being and place in the world primarily through the status of our ethnoculture relative to those it can be compared to, or against those it must compete.

One of the effects of nation-states' hard borders is the capacity for ethnic myths and propaganda to grow and create a sense of relative ethnocultural superiority within those borders.




Oh...!? Is that your own idea?

Is THAT what makes some Aborigines drunken, violent layabouts and others ministers of the crown, doctors, senators and university professors??

How many Aboriginal ministers of the crown, doctors, senators and university professors are also multi-ethnic?


My opinion - most of them .... but according to them they are only Aboriginal ...

except Jacinta Price who acknowledges her Celtic heritage .... and she's married to a Celt.
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Reply #4424 - May 22nd, 2024 at 11:19am
 
Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 11:12am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 11:04am:
Frank wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 10:59am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 10:35am:
Displacement and dispossession of an ethnicity and ethnoculture by a foreign. dominant ethnicity/ethnoculture necessarily creates an underclass of the displaced and dispossessed.

We all derive our sense of well-being and place in the world primarily through the status of our ethnoculture relative to those it can be compared to, or against those it must compete.

One of the effects of nation-states' hard borders is the capacity for ethnic myths and propaganda to grow and create a sense of relative ethnocultural superiority within those borders.




Oh...!? Is that your own idea?

Is THAT what makes some Aborigines drunken, violent layabouts and others ministers of the crown, doctors, senators and university professors??

How many Aboriginal ministers of the crown, doctors, senators and university professors are also multi-ethnic?


My opinion - most of them .... but according to them they are only Aboriginal ...

except Jacinta Price who acknowledges her Celtic heritage .... and she's married to a Celt.

They all tend to defend Aboriginal cultures, but I would bet that all of them live and practise non-Aboriginal culture (colloquially defined as Australian culture) to which they feel a strong sense of identity.

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