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Reply #720 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 7:43am
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 7:33am:
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Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 5:29pm:
Well, WHAT difference does it make to have the Voice in the Constitution rather than merely be legislated by Parliament without any Constitutional change?



if it makes no difference then why have you and the other racist wankers on here shed so many tears over it? Roll Eyes


And this from someone who has never seen the carnage and has no clue of the reality



unlike your fake nurse who turned out had never worked in Alice as a nurse? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


She is an NT nurse and she saw horror - as did I

A Northern Territory nurse who spoke out about the sexual abuse children in remote Indigenous communities suffer has come under fire from trolls.

Rachel Hale, 45, has been working as a full-time cosmetic nurse for the past two years in the Territory.

She previously worked for Darwin's Danila Dilba Aboriginal Health Service, NT Health, an alcohol and rehab centre and a jail and did cosmetic work on the side.

But after sharing anecdotes about some of the horrific abuse she and her colleagues have witnessed, she came under fire for giving an 'unsubstantiated' theory amid claims she wasn't a real nurse.

'Can anyone confirm if Rachel Hale has ever worked as a nurse (no not a cosmetic nurse) in Alice Springs?' one person questioned on Facebook.

A YouTube commentator, Tom Tanuki, dedicated an entire 15-minute video to Ms Hale, where he rejected her being dubbed an 'Outback nurse' - arguing she simply 'squirted Botox' into peoples' faces.

Ms Hale lives in Darwin and visits Alice Springs every couple of months for her business.

She said she has experienced first-hand the violence in the town but has now had to defend her background.

'Everyone started calling me and messaging me, saying I'm a fake and I've never witnessed anything,' she told news.com.au, adding she's received countless 'disgusting' and threatening messages.

'People are saying I'm just trying to promote my own profile. What am I gaining out of this? I knew I'd get blowback, I just didn't think it would be this severe.'

The nurse said while she now works in a different profession, 'it doesn't discount what I've seen and what my colleagues have seen'.

'It's about these people boosting their own political and personal platforms and tearing me to shreds.'

Ms Hale earlier revealed the shocking sexual and physical abuse to Daily Mail Australia, claiming children were roaming the streets at night because they were safer there than at home.

During her 14 years of nursing in communities near both Alice Springs and Darwin, when she was called to a remote Aboriginal home she would be accompanied by a second nurse because the visits were so unsafe.

'Some of these houses have 10-15 people sleeping on the floor of a three-bedroom house. There's no personal hygiene, there's lice, scabies, fungal rashes, maggots in wounds, perforated ear drums - the level of care is shocking,' she said.

'That's why the kids are not at home, along with the vicious sexual assaults. The parents, the uncles, the cousins are all drinking and the kids are being preyed upon.

'The wives are being beaten in front of the kids, check any emergency department and you'll see the horrific injuries.'

Ms Hale recalled horrifying incidents and injuries seen by herself and nursing colleagues of children as young as two being raped.

'It's hard to talk about, but the physical trauma that these kids have endured is hard to comprehend,' she said.

'My colleagues told me about witnessing an eight-year-old girl being raped by a man who had covered her lower half with butter.

'She didn't scream or cry or resist because she was so used to it.'

Ms Hale said she saw very young children and toddlers with sexually transmitted diseases, including a whole family with the same strain of gonorrhea - both children and parents.

'I've seen a four-year-old boy in a clinic with anal warts and a sex-year-old girl with vaginal sores,' she said.

'Children petrified to come in [to medical clinics] with their mothers as ''daddy will find out'' and the abuse will escalate.'

Ms Hale said alcohol did play a big role, as it perpetuated the abuse children faced at home and shaped their lives as they grew up.

'I've seen babies dehydrated as their mother wouldn't breastfeed and were drinking alcohol and pregnant women pickling their babies with a bottle of rum each day while six months pregnant,' she said.

'Fetal alcohol spectrum disorders are very common and often used as a defence in court to excuse behaviour.

'Some feed a toddler a can of Coke and a packet of chips for the day and that's it.'

Alcohol restrictions have since been implemented into Alice Springs following Anthony Albanese's visit last week.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11707443/Northern-Territory-nurse-Rache...


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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #721 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 7:47am
 
Wish it was an invasion.
There'd be none of this "poor me" shyte sympathising these drunken abortions.
No one gives a shyte about "Malcolm in the river bed".
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Reply #722 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 7:48am
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 7:33am:
Boris wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 6:41am:
John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 6:03am:
Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 5:29pm:
Well, WHAT difference does it make to have the Voice in the Constitution rather than merely be legislated by Parliament without any Constitutional change?



if it makes no difference then why have you and the other racist wankers on here shed so many tears over it? Roll Eyes


And this from someone who has never seen the carnage and has no clue of the reality



unlike your fake nurse who turned out had never worked in Alice as a nurse? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


But she isn't a fake nurse.

When was the last time you were in Alice? Roll Eyes
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #723 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 9:16am
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 6:03am:
Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 5:29pm:
Well, WHAT difference does it make to have the Voice in the Constitution rather than merely be legislated by Parliament without any Constitutional change?



if it makes no difference then why have you and the other racist wankers on here shed so many tears over it? Roll Eyes


You wankers think it makes no difference, Thick As Mince. I don't.

I think it makes a huge difference. Putting it in the Constitution is a Trojan Horse for sovereignty, treaty, Aborigginal oversight of Government.

As for practical changes to how remote aborigines live, no legislation makes any difference, whether constitutionally derived or not. If you want to stop drinking, stop the violence and neglect of your children then you stop. If you don't  want to stop no government or constitutional change can make you - see the history of recent decades.

The Voice is about giving power to the Aboriginal political activist middle class, not the drunks face down in their pizzas.


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Reply #724 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 9:17am
 
This!!

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Momentum shifting on this divisive
Voice
MIKE O’CONNOR

IF YOU feel yourself slipping into a blank-faced coma and have to be restrained from crawling under the doona at the mention of the Voice, you
are not alone.

Battered by escalating rhetoric and biffed by claim and counter claim, you could be forgiven by clapping your hands over your ears and screaming ”Enough!”

I’ve emerged from the doona for just long enough to notice that the conflict between Yes and No becomes more strident by the day as it
becomes increasingly obvious that the initial attempt to present the
proposal to Australians as a matter of simply “doing the right thing” is
unravelling.


Your average voter, it seems, is a bit smarter than the federal government
thought and has failed to roll over and accept Prime Minister’s Albanese’s
paternalistic assurances
that “she’ll be right, mate,” and “don’t you worry
about that.”

Sitting around the nation’s kitchen tables, mum, dad and the kids could not but help reach the inescapable conclusion over recent months that
someone is being economical with the truth or to put it less politely,
telling porkies.


It is difficult, for example, to accept the assertion that it really isn’t such a
big deal
and that we should just vote Yes and let the experts work out the
detail.

Changing the constitution is a very big deal which is why the
founding fathers ensured it could only be altered if the changes were approved by a majority of voters in a majority of states.

So is it about giving Indigenous people a fair go?

There are hundreds of
bodies presently dealing exclusively with Indigenous issues and the
federal government spends billions of dollars a year a year on supporting
Indigenous causes, spending more per capita on Indigenous Australians
than on non- Indigenous Australians while Indigenous people are
overrepresented in federal parliament on a per head of population basis
which suggests they get more than a fair go.


We’ll soon have a pamphlet outlining both sides of the argument to discuss around the table after the PM, having refused to consider
publishing one, suddenly agreed to do so when it became obvious that this
refusal was damaging the Yes case.


A fair go for both sides? Only when forced to do so by public opinion.

You might like to think, in a moment of supreme optimism, that the creation of the Voice will see the beginning of an end to the alcoholism,
domestic violence, sexual abuse and lawlessness that plagues many
Indigenous communities.


I think I can speak for all Australians in saying that we would like nothing better than to see a brighter future for young Indigenous people and
greater protection for Indigenous women but change like that has to come
from within.


It is difficult to see how the creation of another level of bureaucracy will
achieve this, somehow discovering the silver bullet that has eluded the
best efforts of the well intentioned and lavishly funded for so long.


The issue of black sovereignty has now been tossed into the mix but no
one seems to know what this means.

According to Oxford Languages, it is “the authority of a state to govern
itself or another state.”


Any suggestion that the ultimate aim is the creation of a separate Indigenous state with separate powers should be enough to cause people on both sides of the argument to pause for thought.

It seems to me that the Voice has the potential to forever divide the
country along racial lines and destroy the concept that we are all
Australian citizens and are all equal.


It’s a concept that is the very essence of our system of democratic government.

We elect this government, all of us, in this hugely diverse electorate composed of people from every racial background on the planet.

There have been some good governments and some ordinary ones but the system has served us well.

It seems to me that creating a special class of
Australians based on race with special privileges that are unavailable to
the rest of us is to chart a dangerous course and one which once embarked
upon, cannot be reversed.


In the context of the Voice we should look to the common good and reassert the deeply held view that we are all in this together or risk the
creation a permanent them-and-us society which would serve neither
side well
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Re: The Aboriginal Voice referendum
Reply #725 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 10:29am
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Funny how nobody in the media or any politician puts any pressure on our unwashed bludging fkkn Boongs to get a job and send their kids to school, it's like they are fkkn special or fkkn something.


Er... "getting a job" requires the paying job to be available. 

Even 1 million+ white long-term unemployed can't get a job.   
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Reply #726 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 10:56am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 10:29am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Funny how nobody in the media or any politician puts any pressure on our unwashed bludging fkkn Boongs to get a job and send their kids to school, it's like they are fkkn special or fkkn something.


Er... "getting a job" requires the paying job to be available. 

Even 1 million+ white long-term unemployed can't get a job.   



They are mostly tinted, thirdy workdy NESBs and remote Abos, not native Australians or Europeans. Oh, and it's not a million, silly, blinkered two-bit squawking parrot.

In June, there were 127,900 long-term unemployed people.
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Reply #727 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 11:03am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 10:56am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 10:29am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Funny how nobody in the media or any politician puts any pressure on our unwashed bludging fkkn Boongs to get a job and send their kids to school, it's like they are fkkn special or fkkn something.


Er... "getting a job" requires the paying job to be available. 

Even 1 million+ white long-term unemployed can't get a job.   



They are mostly tinted, thirdy workdy NESBs and remote Abos, not native Australians or Europeans. Oh, and it's not a million, silly, blinkered two-bit squawking parrot.

In June, there were 127,900 long-term unemployed people.


(quick google)

"Australia Labour Force Underutilisation Rate: Trend data was reported at 9.436 % in Nov 2022. This records a decrease from the previous number of 9.512 % for Aug 2022. Australia Labour Force Underutilisation Rate: Trend data is updated quarterly, averaging 12.707 % from Feb 1978 to Nov 2022."

c. 1 million people.

Oh, and employers are already clamoring for more cheap overseas workers, which will push the long-term unemployed and all involuntarily unemployed, up again.
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Reply #728 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 11:26am
 
Let's stick to the voice idea.... laughable though it may be:-

https://www.cis.org.au/commentary/opinion/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-vote-at...
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Reply #729 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 11:31am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 11:03am:
Frank wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 10:56am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 10:29am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Funny how nobody in the media or any politician puts any pressure on our unwashed bludging fkkn Boongs to get a job and send their kids to school, it's like they are fkkn special or fkkn something.


Er... "getting a job" requires the paying job to be available. 

Even 1 million+ white long-term unemployed can't get a job.   



They are mostly tinted, thirdy workdy NESBs and remote Abos, not native Australians or Europeans. Oh, and it's not a million, silly, blinkered two-bit squawking parrot.

In June, there were 127,900 long-term unemployed people.


(quick google)

"Australia Labour Force Underutilisation Rate: Trend data was reported at 9.436 % in Nov 2022. This records a decrease from the previous number of 9.512 % for Aug 2022. Australia Labour Force Underutilisation Rate: Trend data is updated quarterly, averaging 12.707 % from Feb 1978 to Nov 2022."

c. 1 million people.

Oh, and employers are already clamoring for more cheap overseas workers, which will push the long-term unemployed and all involuntarily unemployed, up again.


So we ship all the remote Keffir to where the cheap jobs are and git 'im to work at low rates in big cities while 'is family wait back 'ome for a little sustenance money to come back?

Might as well return to the pre-Union and such days of the itinerant casual part-time contract labourer humping his swag and begging for a day's work and maybe a bite to eat ..... if Whartey can move on from that, surely Darkie can... might take a hundred years of upward social movement in rights and equalities though....

Are some of you sure you actually understand your True Australian History...
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Reply #730 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 8:09pm
 
The government is attempting to hide its agenda by not publishing a pamphlet giving for and against arguments before the referendum. It has been called out on this blatant attempt to hide the facts from the people: https://ipa.org.au/ipa-today/australians-support-a-free-and-fair-debate-on-voice...
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Reply #731 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 8:22pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 8:09pm:
The government is attempting to hide its agenda by not publishing a pamphlet giving for and against arguments before the referendum. It has been called out on this blatant attempt to hide the facts from the people: https://ipa.org.au/ipa-today/australians-support-a-free-and-fair-debate-on-voice...


The Government never publishes propaganda, either for or against for refereda, Belgarion.  They are limited by the Constitution and the High Court decisions on the matter.  If you are old enough to remember the last referenda - the Republican question, the Government in that cast did not issue anything on the yes or no side of the question. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #732 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 8:47pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 11:31am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 11:03am:
Frank wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 10:56am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 10:29am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Funny how nobody in the media or any politician puts any pressure on our unwashed bludging fkkn Boongs to get a job and send their kids to school, it's like they are fkkn special or fkkn something.


Er... "getting a job" requires the paying job to be available. 

Even 1 million+ white long-term unemployed can't get a job.   



They are mostly tinted, thirdy workdy NESBs and remote Abos, not native Australians or Europeans. Oh, and it's not a million, silly, blinkered two-bit squawking parrot.

In June, there were 127,900 long-term unemployed people.


(quick google)

"Australia Labour Force Underutilisation Rate: Trend data was reported at 9.436 % in Nov 2022. This records a decrease from the previous number of 9.512 % for Aug 2022. Australia Labour Force Underutilisation Rate: Trend data is updated quarterly, averaging 12.707 % from Feb 1978 to Nov 2022."

c. 1 million people.

Oh, and employers are already clamoring for more cheap overseas workers, which will push the long-term unemployed and all involuntarily unemployed, up again.


So we ship all the remote Keffir to where the cheap jobs are and git 'im to work at low rates in big cities while 'is family wait back 'ome for a little sustenance money to come back?


No we engage people with training (on the job if appropriate)  and work in their local communities.   We need decentralization, anyway.

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We can short-cut that process with training and job creation in local communities. Today's economies are incredibly productive; distribution of created wealth is the problem today.

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Yes,  and the history of economic development as well - unlike you.
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Reply #733 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 9:10pm
 
I thought the CDEP tried that - yet not a single 'trade', 'skill', 'motivation or organised work ever went into any community.... once the cash dried up, so did the work.....
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Reply #734 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 11:11pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 14th, 2023 at 10:29am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Funny how nobody in the media or any politician puts any pressure on our unwashed bludging fkkn Boongs to get a job and send their kids to school, it's like they are fkkn special or fkkn something.


Er... "getting a job" requires the paying job to be available. 

Even 1 million+ white long-term unemployed can't get a job.   


Yes, but Matty's not looking, dear. He's on the DSP.

It's like he's special or something, poor thing, but do you know?

We wouldn't have it any other way. From each according to his means, to each according to his needs. Matty needs our assistance, Great, and we're more than happy to provide it.

That's what having a society's all about. God knows you wouldn't want him anywhere near machinery.

Liberty, equality, fraternity, no?

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