Brian Ross wrote on Feb 17^th, 2023 at 7:41pm:



Who gives a flying phukk BWYAN?

Most sensible Australians are at odds with the "Voice".

It's a total fallacy.

Another Indigenous voice?? Sure, add it to the list:

Australian Indigenous Foundation

ABCare

Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies (AIATSIS)

Australian Indigenous Minority Supplier Council

Aboriginal Maternal and Infant Health Service

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Health Performance Framework

Assembly of First Nations

Australian Indigenous Economic Policy Research (CAEPR)

Closing The Gap Clearinghouse

Conciliation and Arbitration Commission

Cooperative Research Centre for Aboriginal Health

Cape York Institute

FaHCSIA; Department of Families, Housing, Community and Indigenous Affairs

FCAA; Federal Council for the Advancement of Aborigines

FCAATSI; Federal Council for the Advancement of Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders

Healing Foundation

Indigenous Advisory Council

Indigenous Advancement Strategy

Indigenous Community Governance Project

Indigenous Education Strategic Initiatives Programme

Indigenous Land Corporation

Kapululangu Aboriginal Women’s Association

Koori Business Network

Kimberley Indigenous Management Support Service

Koori Maternity Services

Larrakia Development Corporation

Ministerial Council for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Affairs

National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation (NACCHO)

National Indigenous Australians Agency

National Indigenous Times

New South Wales Coalition of Aboriginal Peak Organisations (COAPA)

NAIDOC; National Aborigines and Islanders Day Observance Committee

North Coast Aboriginal Corporation for Community Health

National Centre of Indigenous Excellence

NITV; National Indigenous Television

NNTT; National Native Title Tribunal

Native Welfare Council

Office of Indigenous Policy Coordination

Office of the Registrar of Indigenous Corporations

Queensland Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Child Protection Peak (QATSICPP)

Aboriginal Peak Organisations Northern Territory (APO NT)

Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody

SNAICC Resource Clearinghouse

South Australian Aboriginal Advisory Council

The Koori Mail

The Lowitja Institute

The Indigenous Affairs Group

The National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA)

The Victorian Aboriginal Child Care Agency (VACCA)

Western Australian Aboriginal Child Health Survey

Working Group on Indigenous Reform

So essentially we’re being told that these voices are STILL not enough. Gotcha!

I’M VOTING NO

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 17^th, 2023 at 11:46pm:


Quite a few are drinking themselves to death in an alcoholic stupor - witness Broome beaches and public parks in Darwin.

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Yes, but the nation - in co-operation with black communities - must close the gap.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 18^th, 2023 at 8:27am:



The problem is not the lack of voice to parliament- Aborigines are already overrepresented in parliament.

The problem is the lack of Voice into the ears of the drunken, violent remote Aborigines and their neglected, petty criminal children. A voice that they hear and which changes them. And that Voice will never come from a Canberra quango, no matter how it is or isn't  cemented into the constitution.

The constitutional Voice will have no impact on thd remote dysfunction, everyone knows that. The Voice is not about those remote Aborigines behaving savagely. It is only about empowering the Lividias, Pats, Noels and Lindas who have zero interest in those other tribes in remote areas. If they had any interest they would have directed their effort towards influencing those remote tribes and clans. But they have no influence on other 'first nations' so they only ever engage with the actual power they have influence over: the whitey government.
But whitey government have no power over the remote Aborigines behaving savagely.

The campaign for Indigenous constitutional recognition has gone on longer than the siege of Troy. The proposed constitutional Voice to Parliament is very different from the original idea of symbolic recognition. It’s been aggressively marketed as the “conservative” form of recognition by organisations such as Uphold & Recognise, conservatives and moderates in academia, law and media and Aboriginal people including Noel Pearson and Marcia Langton who are popular amongst conservatives.

Pearson’s advocacy for education, work, personal responsibility and his willingness to call out the scourge of welfare dependency, delivered with often uplifting oratory, has drawn a loyal conservative following. It’s said Pearson’s 6000 word letter to John Howard persuaded him to call for constitutional recognition in 2007.

So mesmerised is Pearson’s conservative following, they’ve seemingly never noticed that his signature programs are at odds with much of what conservatives stand for. Sure, they’re underpinned by sound fundamentals like practical action and personal responsibility. But in their design and implementation they’re big-government, big-spending programs supported by massive organisational bureaucracies; built on an apparatus favouring the collective over the individual, dependency over self-determination and perpetual government funding and largesse.

Pearson’s signature Cape York welfare reform trials were funded with more than $150 million across eight years for a population of a few thousand people. They didn’t produce meaningful improvements in key indicators including education, convictions, violence and unemployment. Based on conservative principles, yes, but implemented through a costly, bureaucratic program that didn’t achieve results.

Empowered Communities is another initiative spearheaded by Pearson’s Cape York Institute. Its idea of “empowerment” is decentralising control of government programs and services from departments to local Aboriginal groups. The 2015 Empowered Communities: Empowered Peoples Design Report outlines a hugely complex structure: multiple layers of Indigenous governance arrangements at regional levels overseen by overarching national bodies and a complex array of legislation, agreements and other paperwork including development agendas, development accords (to establish a binding commitment to achieving the goals of the development agendas) and annual delivery plans (to support the development accords). On and on it goes.

That report alone cost millions, with funding committed by Tony Abbott before the 2013 election. Won over by favoured principles of personal responsibility and economic development, many conservatives like Abbot were drawn to the allure of Empowered Communities as the means of delivering them.

I never supported Empowered Communities, believing it would create vast new bureaucracies, cost a lot of money, not make any difference for Indigenous communities and would be anything but empowering. Real empowerment is economic participation: having a job, running a business, owning a home. Not wrapping up one bureaucracy with another black one. Entrenched government dependence, whether administered centrally or by local Aboriginal organisations, isn’t empowerment and certainly isn’t conservative.