Frank wrote on Feb 18^th, 2023 at 3:04pm:
 

Excellent advice...but no cigar; the job market IS competitive, well over 1 million involuntarily un/underemployed working-age Australians attest to that.   


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Refuted above; you are in effect claiming the more than 1 million people without work in Oz are all hopeless drunks.

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False: the participants in the CDEPs reduced entrapment by alcoholism and crime; iow, we have  a chicken and egg problem which requires govt. intervention to initiate a virtuous cycle of sober employment in communities, by establishing paid work where there is none. 

A sea of Pascoes for the Voice.


You don't see so many white Australians on ANY ABC/SBS/Granuiad news report, in selective schools - or any school for that matter - universities, etc, etc.

Looks like a white supremacist gathering, no?  Tsk, tsk.      Telling.

Karnal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2023 at 10:21pm:


If this was the cast of a TV show the vibrants would complain about the show not reflecting the enriching, vibrating diversity of Australia. So White Australia.

Frank wrote on Feb 19^th, 2023 at 8:15am:


Someone on the wahless t'other day discussed this cult of national suicide..... no wonder I keep predicting a rise of the further right here.... when you look at the policy platforms that have lead this country to this cliff over the past forty years - you can now see why Howard set about stealing legal guns from the community..... a community unarmed is unable to self-defend against tyranny.... and why there has been a concerted war against men for ages now..... guess most of you missed it...... just think it's part of the background noise of modern living or something.... somehow violating and abusing legal and civil rights in some 'cause' is perfectly all right... they must be baddies or they wouldn't be attacked, eh..... and this from a government of two parties (someone on the wahless yestidday called it 'the duopoly') that has been destroying your way of life for forty years or more now.

Wake Up, Australia!! Australians are a minority in their own country now - 'dual citizens' and their offspring with the right to change your constitution and who claim adherence first to 'their old country' are the majority, and NONE of them has idea one of what this nation is about.  Albo wants to bring in 200,000 more every year to plump up the un- and under-employment figures and reduce the general prosperity while the well-off romp home... create a  Brave New World of over-rich barons and impoverished serfs begging for a day's work to survive..... 100 years of shining upward movement in rights and prosperity for all on the back of 60,000 dead in WW I then 40,000 more in WW II gone with the wind.... our grandfathers and great-grandfathers must be rolling in their graves to see what the political class have done to this country and its people.

Vote NO For A Return To Sanity!  Lock the Gates NOW except for refugees real!

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 19^th, 2023 at 12:25pm:


Nah - didn't see 'em ... five minute Aussies - know everything.... educated to know all and know nothing...... they'll get there one day.  You all will...... they're your descendants we're talking about.... I'm hoping to insulate mine from the Madness....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 19^th, 2023 at 11:25am:


Yes,  the post Thatcher neoliberal ideology combined with free trade globalization rather than fair trade globalization, plus ponzi "housing as investment" policies, resulting in the 1st world rust belt and insecure gig economy jobs...the young face a much more difficult environment than we did.

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The conservative solution: shoot your way out of a dysfunctional macro-economic environment  - not working in the US,

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a misplaced war, when the dysfunctional macro economy maintained by obsolete neo-classical dogmas is THE problem , hopefully soon to change as the various schools in MMT and sustainable economics produce new graduates.


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Yes, that's the thing about neoclassical economics, it just sits there in the background, accepted by the general population...

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Involuntary unemployment is incompatible with "civil  rights".

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Yes: "tweedle dee-tweedle dum" neoliberal governments.

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You can't hold back demographic change - unless you reinstate the "White Oz Policy". 

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Yes, in the name of the current neoclassical delusion of increasing GDP by increasing population.

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yes: the wars to end all wars didn't work out so well (but you need to examine your own "individual sovereignty" delusions to understand why we are on the brink of WW3, 70 years after the last global conflagration.


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Libertarianism  ("individual sovereignty") and sanity are incompatible; but "lock the gates" can be sensibly argued, if the necessary global institutions for engendering sustainable development in ALL countries are instituted.

btw, see how a topic (rightfully) automatically expands beyond narrow concerns?....you were the one expounding on various supposedly 'non voice' topics, above...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 19^th, 2023 at 2:24pm:


Interfering? I think you'll find Voltaire would not accuse me of that....

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I worked because I had to, like most of us (unlike Mozart who had a direct line to the infinite all his life...and yet his widow couldn't afford to pay for his funeral....understand?) 

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Participating - and being paid - for useful work is NOT "free funding".

And you need more than one generation to change a culture.

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No: whartey is confusing real resources with money, and hence cancelling successful participatory schemes like the CDEP, because "it cost too much"... showing a complete lack of understanding of how money is created....


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No evasion: "it's the economy, stupid".

You don't believe it? That's a problem you must deal with.

And begin by learning the difference between real resources, and money: real resources (inc. labour) are finite, but not limited by money, which means the issue is resource allocation), NOT money which is created out of thin air.

But by all means carry on with your 'anti voice' crusade, if you think 'NO" will achieve something positive.

"But by all means carry on with your 'anti voice' crusade, if you think 'NO" will achieve something positive."

Sit long enough by the stream throwing a line and one day the body of your enemy will float past..... in that sentence lies your true direction......

A 'NO' vote has no duty to achieve anything positive - it is not being held out as the be-all and end-all of Aboriginal failure (cunning use of words there)... it is a 'YES' vote that must prove it will achieve something positive - and clearly it will not.... a NO vote will ensure, on the other hand, that peace remains or returns to Australia over this non issue of Aboriginal demands..... and will force stupid and narrow-sighted and narrow-gutted governments to seek a much better way in accordance with the law of the land and its requirements for all to be treated equally... and will prevent the approaching civil war (the civil war one side is, and has been, engaged in for ages now)  ....

If you can't see that as a positive, as opposed to chaos and endless disturbance of the democratic process - you are part of the problem and not the solution.

One Law For All!  All Laws For One!!